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Operation Grange

Post by Hawk » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:20 pm

What do others think will happen at the end of September? More funds or investigation closed? I suppose it can't go on indefinitely and some cases become cold cases for decades before they suddenly get solved.

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Post by Whiterose » Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:23 am

I'm hoping for more funding Hawk, but I don't think it will come. Hopefully the McCann's will hire private detectives again who will carry on the search from OG.
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Re: Operation Grange

Post by catkins » Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:31 am

Sadly.........unless they have important information that still needs following up......I think that it may be put on the back burner :s_sad

I just hope that unlike the Portuguese police....the Met are happy to work with..... or at least advise any Private Investigators that the McCanns have to hire.
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Re: Operation Grange

Post by honestbroker1 » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:42 pm

Whiterose wrote:
Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:23 am
I'm hoping for more funding Hawk, but I don't think it will come. Hopefully the McCann's will hire private detectives again who will carry on the search from OG.
The problem is that the money that ought to have come from the sale of a disgraceful book to continue financing private searching, instead, went to the (disgraced) ex PJ-cop who wrote it.

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Post by Pedro » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:06 pm

I'm hoping for more funding, the Met are happy to work with.
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Post by Carana » Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:16 pm

Hawk wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:20 pm
What do others think will happen at the end of September? More funds or investigation closed? I suppose it can't go on indefinitely and some cases become cold cases for decades before they suddenly get solved.
No idea where the remaining lead is at. if it's at a dead end for the moment, the Operation, as such, will probably end. But... that would just make the case dormant. The painstaking work of the HOLMES database has been done, so presumably any new info can be fairly easily checked against that without dedicated staff.

There's also the PT investigation, which still appears to be open, although perhaps less active due to very limited funds.
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Post by honestbroker1 » Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:46 pm

Carana wrote:
Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:16 pm
Hawk wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:20 pm
What do others think will happen at the end of September? More funds or investigation closed? I suppose it can't go on indefinitely and some cases become cold cases for decades before they suddenly get solved.
No idea where the remaining lead is at. if it's at a dead end for the moment, the Operation, as such, will probably end. But... that would just make the case dormant. The painstaking work of the HOLMES database has been done, so presumably any new info can be fairly easily checked against that without dedicated staff.

There's also the PT investigation, which still appears to be open, although perhaps less active due to very limited funds.
That, at least hitherto, has been one of the key differences between English and Portuguese police investigations. In England, unsolved crimes are never officially 'closed'. They just lay dormant unless, or until, new information comes to light.

Faith Lilly, over at UK Injustice (a while back) made reference to a crime in Scotland, 50 years old, that was the subject of new enquiries. The perpetrator is (now) almost certainly dead.

Portuguese law is constantly evolving, mostly (I think) for the better.

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Post by Carana » Sat Aug 19, 2017 4:02 pm

honestbroker1 wrote:
Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:46 pm
Carana wrote:
Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:16 pm
Hawk wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:20 pm
What do others think will happen at the end of September? More funds or investigation closed? I suppose it can't go on indefinitely and some cases become cold cases for decades before they suddenly get solved.
No idea where the remaining lead is at. if it's at a dead end for the moment, the Operation, as such, will probably end. But... that would just make the case dormant. The painstaking work of the HOLMES database has been done, so presumably any new info can be fairly easily checked against that without dedicated staff.

There's also the PT investigation, which still appears to be open, although perhaps less active due to very limited funds.
That, at least hitherto, has been one of the key differences between English and Portuguese police investigations. In England, unsolved crimes are never officially 'closed'. They just lay dormant unless, or until, new information comes to light.

Faith Lilly, over at UK Injustice (a while back) made reference to a crime in Scotland, 50 years old, that was the subject of new enquiries. The perpetrator is (now) almost certainly dead.

Portuguese law is constantly evolving, mostly (I think) for the better.

The PT investigation was never actually "closed", either, but was archived. As you'll remember, at the time, PT law was restrictive in terms of a strict time limit to bring a case to a conclusion once there were arguidos.

It's inevitable that the active investigation will wind down... but, and as Hawk said, there can sometimes be a detail that comes to light years later. II might be on a detail that may seem totally unrelated in the first instance, but if intelligent officers check back, there could always be some correlation that will provide the vital clue.

Or, if the worst has happened, vigilant dog walkers or construction workers may stumble upon something. Whether or not it occurs to them to report it may be a different issue...
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Post by honestbroker1 » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:05 pm

Carana wrote:
Sat Aug 19, 2017 4:02 pm
honestbroker1 wrote:
Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:46 pm
Carana wrote:
Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:16 pm
Hawk wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:20 pm
What do others think will happen at the end of September? More funds or investigation closed? I suppose it can't go on indefinitely and some cases become cold cases for decades before they suddenly get solved.
No idea where the remaining lead is at. if it's at a dead end for the moment, the Operation, as such, will probably end. But... that would just make the case dormant. The painstaking work of the HOLMES database has been done, so presumably any new info can be fairly easily checked against that without dedicated staff.

There's also the PT investigation, which still appears to be open, although perhaps less active due to very limited funds.
That, at least hitherto, has been one of the key differences between English and Portuguese police investigations. In England, unsolved crimes are never officially 'closed'. They just lay dormant unless, or until, new information comes to light.

Faith Lilly, over at UK Injustice (a while back) made reference to a crime in Scotland, 50 years old, that was the subject of new enquiries. The perpetrator is (now) almost certainly dead.

Portuguese law is constantly evolving, mostly (I think) for the better.

The PT investigation was never actually "closed", either, but was archived. As you'll remember, at the time, PT law was restrictive in terms of a strict time limit to bring a case to a conclusion once there were arguidos.

It's inevitable that the active investigation will wind down... but, and as Hawk said, there can sometimes be a detail that comes to light years later. II might be on a detail that may seem totally unrelated in the first instance, but if intelligent officers check back, there could always be some correlation that will provide the vital clue.

Or, if the worst has happened, vigilant dog walkers or construction workers may stumble upon something. Whether or not it occurs to them to report it may be a different issue...
In Portugal, though, there is (or was) an (ultimate) time-bar of (I think!) twenty years? Twenty five years? Something like that. Beyond which a crime can no longer be investigated if it is not solved.

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Post by Carana » Sun Aug 20, 2017 11:29 am

honestbroker1 wrote:
Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:05 pm

In Portugal, though, there is (or was) an (ultimate) time-bar of (I think!) twenty years? Twenty five years? Something like that. Beyond which a crime can no longer be investigated if it is not solved.
Hmm. I dug out what I was able to find when the subject came up on JF, but I don't find it terribly clear.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7626.0
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Post by honestbroker1 » Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:06 pm

Sadly.

But yes ....

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Post by Carana » Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:49 am

Hunt for Madeleine McCann needs more cash to continue

Earlier this year Scotland Yard said detectives were still following a critical lead 10 years after Madeleine disappeared.

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Madeleine McCann missing ten years.
Image: Madeleine McCann went missing while on a family holiday in 2007

By Martin Brunt, Crime Correspondent

Scotland Yard is to ask for more money to continue its six-year investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Detectives are struggling to resolve a final lead, which, if it fizzled out, could have brought the £11m Government-funded investigation to an end next month.

I understand that the Home Office is willing to carry on paying for the last bit of work to be completed.

A source said: "We will be asking for more money because we need to complete the work we are doing. It is complicated and not as straightforward as we had hoped, but it is worth doing."

Madeleine was nearly four years old when she vanished without trace from her family's rented holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in May 2007.
Madeleine McCann on May 3 - the day she went missing from the family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal
Image: Madeleine McCann on May 3 - the day she went missing from the family's holiday apartment

The Portuguese police closed their investigation 15 months later, after finding nothing to explain her disappearance.

In 2011, after an appeal from her parents Kate and Gerry McCann, the then Prime Minister David Cameron asked Scotland Yard to investigate with special Home Office funding.

Sixteen months ago then Scotland Yard Commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe said his squad - reduced in 2015 from 30 to three staff - was expecting to close a final investigative lead within months.

"That line of inquiry probably at the moment is the conclusion of this inquiry," he said.
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In April this year, Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley said detectives were still following a critical lead.

"We have a significant line of inquiry which is worth pursuing and because it's worth pursuing it could provide an answer - but until we've gone through it I won't know whether we are going to get there or not."

Police will give no details of the lead - nor why it is proving so difficult to resolve. But they want more time to pursue it.

There has been speculation that it involves a hunt for a suspect or a key witness, but none of that has been confirmed.
The McCanns were staying on the ground floor of this apartment block
Image: The McCanns were staying on the ground floor of this apartment block

Retired Metropolitan Police detective Peter Kirkham said: "Media interest and the political drive for it to be done in the first place will add to a reluctance to stop the investigation until they are absolutely sure they have done everything they can.

"If a line of inquiry has any signs of life in it whatsoever, they will be saying 'this is here and we can do it but we'll need this amount to do it and if you don't wish to pay for it that is your decision'."

A spokesman for Madeleine's family told Sky News: "The McCanns will be pleased. The fact that the police feel there is still work to be done which needs funding is very encouraging.

"They remain grateful to all the officers involved in the investigation."
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Scotland Yard said: "Funding is in place until the end of September. Any details about future funding will be released when appropriate."

The Home Office confirmed that funding for Operation Grange had been provided until the end of next month.

"The level of funding provided is a reflection of the wide-ranging and complex nature of the investigation which the police have deemed necessary to undertake," a spokesperson said.

They added that they have not received a new funding request from Scotland Yard but that "any future request will be considered carefully".
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Post by honestbroker1 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:18 am

Thanks, Carana.

Is Sal on a go-slow?

She's normally first to post breaking news.

Hope Sal is welll (as always).

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Post by Carana » Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:27 am

I've had no particular reason to follow the PT press for a while, but I'm sure we'd have all heard about it if Smellyman had been apprehended. And he may not have been the sole person responsible for all the attacks on UK children. Nor does anyone seem to have excluded that children of other nationalities may also have been attacked...

If, as I strongly suspect, Smellyman is the lead in question, I don't see how the HO could refuse funding - those other children deserve justice as well, to say nothing of the fact that he could still be at large.
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Post by honestbroker1 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:39 am

Carana wrote:
Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:27 am
I've had no particular reason to follow the PT press for a while, but I'm sure we'd have all heard about it if Smellyman had been apprehended. And he may not have been the sole person responsible for all the attacks on UK children. Nor does anyone seem to have excluded that children of other nationalities may also have been attacked...

If, as I strongly suspect, Smellyman is the lead in question, I don't see how the HO could refuse funding - those other children deserve justice as well, to say nothing of the fact that he could still be at large.
Yes!

Vital to stress (to the haters) that the money is not exclusively syphoned into investigation of Madeleine's abduction: rather efforts to apprehend (at least an) abductor(s) responsible, also, for crimes against other children.

Looked at in that light, the cost of the operation takes a whole different perspective.

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Post by Carana » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:22 am

honestbroker1 wrote:
Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:39 am
Carana wrote:
Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:27 am
I've had no particular reason to follow the PT press for a while, but I'm sure we'd have all heard about it if Smellyman had been apprehended. And he may not have been the sole person responsible for all the attacks on UK children. Nor does anyone seem to have excluded that children of other nationalities may also have been attacked...

If, as I strongly suspect, Smellyman is the lead in question, I don't see how the HO could refuse funding - those other children deserve justice as well, to say nothing of the fact that he could still be at large.
Yes!

Vital to stress (to the haters) that the money is not exclusively syphoned into investigation of Madeleine's abduction: rather efforts to apprehend (at least an) abductor(s) responsible, also, for crimes against other children.

Looked at in that light, the cost of the operation takes a whole different perspective.
As far as I'm aware, the funding was allocated to Operation Grange, which is dedicated to the Madeleine case. However, there are numerous examples of investigations into one case that have permitted breakthroughs in others. As there is now a HOLMES database on the case, and which appears to have taken a lot of painstaking effort to feed into, it can presumably be cross-checked by investigations into other cases. If that's the case, then it would seem logical that there is a broader - albeit indirect - benefit to other investigations, whether in the UK or in terms of multinational police cooperation.
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Post by Carana » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:36 am

honestbroker1 wrote:
Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:39 am
Carana wrote:
Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:27 am
I've had no particular reason to follow the PT press for a while, but I'm sure we'd have all heard about it if Smellyman had been apprehended. And he may not have been the sole person responsible for all the attacks on UK children. Nor does anyone seem to have excluded that children of other nationalities may also have been attacked...

If, as I strongly suspect, Smellyman is the lead in question, I don't see how the HO could refuse funding - those other children deserve justice as well, to say nothing of the fact that he could still be at large.
Yes!

Vital to stress (to the haters) that the money is not exclusively syphoned into investigation of Madeleine's abduction: rather efforts to apprehend (at least an) abductor(s) responsible, also, for crimes against other children.

Looked at in that light, the cost of the operation takes a whole different perspective.
My caveat is still that Smellyman may not be the lead in question, despite my fairly strong conviction. However, if he is, then the ability to cross-reference information about a suspect in a different case could also lead to a breakthrough in the Madeleine case.
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Post by catkins » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:41 am

I'm feeling a bit more positive about funding being given......If they didn't get more to finish... what a waste of the money spent so far ....would be sinful surely..

I hope that they are finally close to finding Madeleine or at the very least Who, Why and Where is she now?

As usual.....the carpet chewing trolls are answering the troll call to invade all comment sections. :rolleyes: They really don't give a toss about a missing child.

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Post by Carana » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:07 am

catkins wrote:
Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:41 am
I'm feeling a bit more positive about funding being given......If they didn't get more to finish... what a waste of the money spent so far ....would be sinful surely..

I hope that they are finally close to finding Madeleine or at the very least Who, Why and Where is she now?

As usual.....the carpet chewing trolls are answering the troll call to invade all comment sections. :rolleyes: They really don't give a toss about a missing child.

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I expect that the rabid end of the anti spectrum will also be busy writing or endorsing petitions to call an end to funding for the current one remaining lead - and tough for other investigations into the cases of other children, which any further funding may help to elucidate.

There would then be massive back-pedalling if ever they thought that the important lead in question could be the non-missing pink blanket, or any of the other cherished, but long debunked , myths over the years.
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Post by Hael » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:55 am

Carana wrote:
Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:07 am
catkins wrote:
Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:41 am
I'm feeling a bit more positive about funding being given......If they didn't get more to finish... what a waste of the money spent so far ....would be sinful surely..

I hope that they are finally close to finding Madeleine or at the very least Who, Why and Where is she now?

As usual.....the carpet chewing trolls are answering the troll call to invade all comment sections. :rolleyes: They really don't give a toss about a missing child.

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I expect that the rabid end of the anti spectrum will also be busy writing or endorsing petitions to call an end to funding for the current one remaining lead - and tough for other investigations into the cases of other children, which any further funding may help to elucidate.

There would then be massive back-pedalling if ever they thought that the important lead in question could be the non-missing pink blanket, or any of the other cherished, but long debunked , myths over the years.
Exactly Carana!

You would think that even the forkers want Madeleine found. But no! They just want the parents arrested. Never mind the justice that might bring to other victims (as in the scenario you posted).
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Post by Rob1 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:51 pm

If anyone wonders who voted in the sick poll today
Donna Hall shared a link.
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FYI Loose Women poll today
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POLL: Should we stop funding the search for Maddie McCann? www.itv.com
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Susan Jane Stephenson 86% stays to stop funding the search.
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Pauline Mellor
Pauline Mellor i was one
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Amanda Clarke
Amanda Clarke i was one too
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Lynne Browne
Lynne Browne Me too! Think all this talk of funding is only drawing more attention to them and turning more people against them. Hope so anyway.
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Chrissie Harvey
Chrissie Harvey I am in that yes percentage too!
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Jacqui Burns
Jacqui Burns I just voted, stop the cash, it's a travesty !
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Jane Warren
Jane Warren I votes stop the cash too.
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Teresa Mc Crossan i vote stop the cash
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Teresa Mc Crossan
Teresa Mc Crossan other children out there need the help of police and goverment funds
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Jane Warren
Jane Warren Ye your so right Teresa Mc Crossan x
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Eve Forest
Eve Forest I think they're asking the wrong question tho! Anyone who says stop the funding to find Madeline is labelled as giving up on her which all of us are clearly not doing!..quite the opposite in fact. We don't want to stop the search. We just want them to ...See more
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Jane Warren Yes thats it Eve we no exactly what's what. Those dogs new what was happening but totally ignored x
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Teresa Mc Crossan id very much love the mccanns questioned separetly , then we will see who falls apart first
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Linda Lorente So would I, did anyone watch the TV programme with Ian Huntley,to me his mannerisms were almost identical to those of GM.
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Linda Bulman Yes what ıs the cash beıng used for. I have not heard anythıng about them searchıng. Where have they searched. Have they used a medıum to fınd out ıf she ıs even alıve.
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Leeza Feldberg The phone in on my local radio station this morning was about this. Didn't hear all of it but most calls/texts wanted funds stopped.
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Jan Nash Yes. Stop the funds.
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Nicki McCrossen Curious as to how many people have to vote yes for it to go up even 1%. It was 86% when I voted. Lots of people seeing through the McCann's
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Teresa Mc Crossan every time i see a ost with little maddie on , if i look into her little eyes if i was being truthful i feel she would say what happened to her , such a terrible farce this has been ,
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Deborah Ann Osullivan Yep .....stop
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Sue Peters Yes,there has been enough money wasted on these two,why can't the money come out of their Find Maddie fund as that's what it should be for not for them to spend how they wish!
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Carol Byrne Totally agree they should use the donations that people have gave them - it's an absolute joke how cuts are being made everywhere in the country but they can find the money to fund this - make the parents pay after all she would not be missing if they had been looking after like what normal parents do
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Mary Calleja Of course no more money should not be spent on looking for Maddie she will never be found dead or alive The parents know what happened to her
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Patricia Lumley Stop the cash, McCanns know fine well, where Maddie is, and it not on this earth. she well gone.
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Julie Adcock People need to read the FACTS. All available on the internet. Police reports, statements etc etc. Then say that you think the McCanns are innocent!
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Patricia Lumley Very true.
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Julie Adcock
Julie Adcock Yes Yvonne, this case makes me so angry. All the facts are there but with the massive cover up and people believing everything they read in the papers are hear on the news, they are getting away with it. Can't wait for the day that someone speaks out and their safe little secret is blown apart!
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Susan Jane Stephenson If they need more money then let the McScams sell their house.
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Pauline Nettleship Use their own !
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Patricia Lumley That said it all. one big cover up from the goverment.
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Jaydee Jayden Ward Yes, only because the evidence points to her death and the McCanns involvement.
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Sandra Wilson
Sandra Wilson Yes they need to stop this farce ! i dont for one minute think the child is still alive! and for parents of other missing children this is a smack in the face, Why are their children not as important as this little girl ! They have found blodd in the ...See more
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Patricia Lumley
Patricia Lumley Well said Sandra.
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Lynne Browne
Lynne Browne Very well said!!
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Dawn Campbell
Dawn Campbell Stop wasting tax payers money
The parents know she will never be found
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Carol Byrne
Carol Byrne What about the money from her book (sorry was not a Bestseller because of all her disgusting thoughts and memememe in it)
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Pauline Orton
Pauline Orton Yes . It's ridiculous asking for more money.
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Charlotte Brooke
Charlotte Brooke
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Lesley 'Strover' Griffey
Lesley 'Strover' Griffey Here's an idea....why don't they spend the money on searching for a child they might actually find?!
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Vera Pulford
Vera Pulford imo is not money to look for a little girl, its a waste of money
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Susie Mason
Susie Mason There is a poll to vote whether or not more money should be given, and 84% of people said no...hope this means this many think they are guilty, so much for the Mccanns thinking everyone is backing them😂
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Susie Mason
Susie Mason Sorry 86% - even better!
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Teresa Mc Crossan
Teresa Mc Crossan yes , funding waste of time on mccann farce , put money where it can do some good like actually finding one , this farce has gone on too long and nothing has come of it after 10 years time it came to an end
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Teresa Mc Crossan
Teresa Mc Crossan one more comment , if the police cant find Maddie perhaps its time these people were replaced and someone is put in charge who knows what they are doing
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Teresa Mc Crossan
Teresa Mc Crossan its about time , no disrespects but saw picture of mccanns meeting the pope , the look on his face as far as i can see , even he didnt believe the mccanns
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Re: Operation Grange

Post by Carana » Tue Aug 22, 2017 3:16 pm

I rest my case... :rolleyes:
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Re: Operation Grange

Post by Carana » Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:18 pm

A further thought: if Smellyman IS the lead in question, it could turn out that he had nothing to do with Madeleine's disappearance... once he has been identified and ruled out. In the absence of any further credible leads, the police would have done their best and Operation Grange would presumably end, pending any new, credible, development. I accept that. *

However, even if Smellyman is eventually found and ruled out of Madeleine's disappearance, it will have been a major breakthrough for the families of at least some of the other UK children, and - perhaps - for other non-UK children.

This weirdo - and there may have been more than one operating at the time - could still be on the loose, dead, in a long-term hospital stay for physical or psychiatric reasons, or in jail somewhere.

I wonder if any of the rabid lot have ever thought that he could be somewhere close to their own young loved ones?

* ETA: I also strongly hope that Smellyman - with or without others - is someone that the PJ investigation is also concentrating on.
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Re: Operation Grange

Post by catkins » Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:39 pm

It also uncovered the other attacks along that coast.....it only included the U.K. But I wonder how many other children from other countries were abused.....but just haven't reported it.....or simply been ignored by the PJ.
Madeleine McCann- Abducted May 2007 from Praia Da Luz, Algarve, Portugal.
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