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Post by Alibongo » Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:10 am

The TWO vital Maddie questions: Why didn't the Met quiz the McCanns again and who was the woman in purple?
A ‘woman in purple’ is keeping Operation Grange alive - the search for Maddie
She was seen by British expat Jenny Murat before the youngster went missing
In the past few months, the Grange team has been criss-crossing Europe trying to locate the woman
By Neil Tweedie for the Daily Mail
PUBLISHED: 22:05, 3 November 2017 | UPDATED: 22:30, 3 November 2017
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About 8pm on the evening of May 3, 2007, Jenny Murat, a British expatriate living in the coastal village of Praia da Luz on Portugal’s Algarve, notices a woman staring intently at an apartment block next to the Ocean Club, a small holiday complex popular with British families.

‘I saw the woman standing on the corner of the street,’ Mrs Murat later recalled. ‘She caught my eye because she was dressed in purple-plum clothes. It struck me as strange.

‘It’s so usual for anyone, particularly a woman, to be standing alone on the street in our resort, just watching a building.’

Sometime during the next two hours, three-year-old Madeleine McCann disappears from an apartment in that same block as her parents dine with friends nearby +8
Sometime during the next two hours, three-year-old Madeleine McCann disappears from an apartment in that same block as her parents dine with friends nearby

Sometime during the next two hours, three-year-old Madeleine McCann disappears from an apartment in that same block as her parents dine with friends nearby.

‘The next morning, we heard that a little girl had gone missing, and I later told police about the woman I’d seen right outside,’ Mrs Murat continued. ‘I didn’t recognise her and don’t have a clue who she is, but she seems a bit suspicious.’

It is this ‘woman in purple’, the Mail understands, who is keeping alive Operation Grange, the marathon reinvestigation of the Madeleine McCann case by Scotland Yard, now in its sixth year.

The suspect is believed to be Bulgarian and was living in Praia da Luz with her partner, a man of German or Eastern European descent (now believed to be dead) at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance. It is thought that police interest is linked to discoveries about her late partner’s history.

In the past few months, the Grange team — now down to four detectives from a peak of 31 — has been criss-crossing Europe trying to locate the woman.

Their budget had been due to run out in September, but officers are understood to have used the ‘woman in purple’ line of investigation to persuade the Home Office — which is financing the inquiry from central government funds — to grant a six-month extension.

In the past few months, the Grange team ¿ now down to four detectives from a peak of 31 ¿ has been criss-crossing Europe trying to locate a woman who was spotted watching a building before Maddie went missing +8
In the past few months, the Grange team — now down to four detectives from a peak of 31 — has been criss-crossing Europe trying to locate a woman who was spotted watching a building before Maddie went missing

The £154,000 agreed will allow inquiries to continue until March, taking the total spent on Operation Grange near to £12 million.

Given that Mrs Murat (whose son Robert was arrested as a suspect two weeks after Madeleine’s disappearance, but cleared of any involvement) raised the alarm about the woman on the morning after the alleged abduction, it must be asked why it has taken ten years for attention to focus on this suspect? Equally pertinent, perhaps, is the question: why is the British taxpayer being asked to finance Operation Grange further when all other leads have come to dispiriting dead-ends?

During the past six years, a string of theories and suspects have come and gone. Variously, the spotlight has fallen on a group of British contract cleaners working in the resort, a smelly, pot-bellied man, a burglary gang posing as charity collectors, child-traffickers, gypsies and so on.

Of course, it must be acknowledged that the suffering of Madeleine’s parents, Gerry and Kate McCann, over their daughter’s disappearance is as unimaginable as it is unending.

Some police critics of Operation Grange point to what they see as its ¿original sin¿ ¿ the failure of the Met¿s team to re-interview Gerry and Kate McCann and the so-called Tapas Seven (above) +8
Some police critics of Operation Grange point to what they see as its ‘original sin’ — the failure of the Met’s team to re-interview Gerry and Kate McCann and the so-called Tapas Seven (above)

Every parent will sympathise with their conviction that, until proven otherwise, Madeleine may yet be found alive and well.

But the brutal and tragic truth is that it is more than probable the woman in purple is unlikely to be the key to solving this mystery.

Operation Grange has been one of the longest, most high-profile and costly police investigations in history. Launched in May 2011, officers have sifted (and translated) 40,000 documents produced by Portuguese police who conducted the initial investigation, and by the eight teams of private detectives who have worked on the case.

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Some 600 ‘persons of interest’ have been examined and ‘sightings’ of Madeleine — in Brazil, India, Morocco and Paraguay, on a German plane and in a New Zealand supermarket — assessed.

The demand from many quarters — from the McCanns, from the public, from politicians — for the investigation to continue is, of course, entirely understandable.

But there comes a time in every police inquiry into a disappearance when the question of how long it should continue has to be asked.

The suspect is believed to be Bulgarian and was living in Praia da Luz (above) with her partner, a man of German or Eastern European descent (now believed to be dead) at the time of Madeleine¿s disappearance +8
The suspect is believed to be Bulgarian and was living in Praia da Luz (above) with her partner, a man of German or Eastern European descent (now believed to be dead) at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance

In an era of austerity — with the Met threatening to stop investigating thousands of ‘low-level’ crimes, such as burglaries and assaults, to help it absorb £400 million in cuts before 2020 — the commitment to one increasingly old, and cold, case is becoming harder to defend.

Some police critics of Operation Grange point to what they see as its ‘original sin’ — the failure of the Met’s team to re-interview Gerry and Kate McCann and the so-called Tapas Seven, the friends with whom they were dining in a restaurant at the Ocean Club on the night of Madeleine’s disappearance.

This, it is argued, should have been a basic first step in a reinvestigation while implying no guilt on the part of those involved.

According to Mark Rowley, Assistant Commissioner of the Met, there was simply no need to re-interview the group because local police had already done so. Yet the initial inquiry by police on the Algarve is known to have been deeply flawed.

According to a friend of the McCanns, ¿it would have been hugely insulting to Kate and Gerry if their original statements had been questioned' +8
According to a friend of the McCanns, ‘it would have been hugely insulting to Kate and Gerry if their original statements had been questioned'

Might not a British interviewer of the McCanns and their friends have picked up on something not spotted by the Portuguese?

Speaking shortly before the tenth anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance, Mr Rowley explained: ‘We had a look at all the material and we are happy that was all dealt with, and there is no reason whatsoever to reopen that or start rumours that that was a line of investigation.’

According to a friend of the McCanns, ‘it would have been hugely insulting to Kate and Gerry if their original statements had been questioned. There was no need to say anything more because everything had been said’.

What this meant in practice was that abduction, either by design or as the result of a break-in gone wrong, was the only consideration for the Grange team.

The reinvestigation began after the McCanns found a powerful ally in the shape of Rebekah Brooks, then chief executive of News International (publisher of The Times, Sunday Times and The Sun), who was anxious to secure the newspaper publishing rights for Kate McCann’s book on the family’s terrible ordeal.

Ms Brooks was subsequently accused during the Leveson Inquiry into Press standards of bullying the Prime Minister David Cameron and Theresa May, then Home Secretary, into initiating Grange.

Disquiet about Operation Grange is nothing new. In 2015, John Tully, then chairman of the Metropolitan Police Federation, argued that, in a time of cuts at home, Scotland Yard should not be used to conduct inquiries into matters abroad (pictured are police cars outside the McCann's hotel in 2007) +8
Disquiet about Operation Grange is nothing new. In 2015, John Tully, then chairman of the Metropolitan Police Federation, argued that, in a time of cuts at home, Scotland Yard should not be used to conduct inquiries into matters abroad (pictured are police cars outside the McCann's hotel in 2007)

She denied the accusation, but admitted applying pressure for a case review on the McCanns’ behalf.

Politics has been a consideration in the conduct of Operation Grange ever since; certainly, it was the subject of discussions between David Cameron and his Portuguese opposite numbers.

One could argue that delaying the end of the inquiry postpones the moment when Mrs May, an increasingly embattled prime minister, must explain why so many millions and countless hours of police time —resources committed on her watch as Home Secretary and PM — have ended up in a fruitless dead-end.

Disquiet about Operation Grange is nothing new. In 2015, John Tully, then chairman of the Metropolitan Police Federation, argued that, in a time of cuts at home, Scotland Yard should not be used to conduct inquiries into matters abroad.

‘It is surprising to see an inquiry like the McCann investigation ring-fenced,’ he said. ‘I have heard a few rumblings of discontent about it.’

Meanwhile, the McCanns keep a close eye on developments from their home in Rothley, Leicestershire, and continue to express thanks to the Met +8
Meanwhile, the McCanns keep a close eye on developments from their home in Rothley, Leicestershire, and continue to express thanks to the Met

Colin Sutton, a retired senior detective at Scotland Yard, has told how he was warned off taking the leadership of Operation Grange.

A senior officer, who Sutton knew well, told him: ‘You wouldn’t be happy leading an investigation where you were told what you could look at and what you could not.’ Meaning, presumably, that the McCanns were off-limits to further questioning.

Mr Sutton recalls: ‘It was made clear that this was an unofficial call and that it was made in my interest — so that I might not end up taking on a task which would ultimately frustrate me.

‘I do though think that a point worthy of reinforcing is that a proper, conclusive and reasoned elimination or implication of Kate and Gerry McCann would have been in everyone’s interest, most of all theirs. That would have been my first objective had I been leading Operation Grange...To eliminate or implicate those closest to the child in this type of case is not only the documented best practice, but is common sense.

‘Had Grange done this, then everything would be a lot clearer. I have no idea why this was not done, but I am satisfied [by] what has been said by the Met and what [information] is available that it was not [done].’

Following the departure in late 2014 of Andy Redwood, the officer originally in charge of the inquiry, Operation Grange has been the responsibility of Detective Chief Inspector Nicola Wall.

Taking on an investigation in its death throes must be something of a poisoned chalice, and DCI Wall may not be sorry to see the end of Grange in March 2018.

¿Kate and Gerry are grateful for the resources put into finding Madeleine and encouraged that they continue to be so,¿ says the friend +8
‘Kate and Gerry are grateful for the resources put into finding Madeleine and encouraged that they continue to be so,’ says the friend

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Meanwhile, the McCanns keep a close eye on developments from their home in Rothley, Leicestershire, and continue to express thanks to the Met.

‘Kate and Gerry are grateful for the resources put into finding Madeleine and encouraged that they continue to be so,’ says the friend.

In Praia da Luz, however, locals are weary of the case, and the extension of Grange has been greeted with little enthusiasm.

According to Paul Luckman, of English-language newspaper The Portugal News: ‘There was this slightly arrogant British assumption that: “We’ll come in and show you how to conduct an investigation”. Well, we’ve seen the result.

‘And the money. What about all the other missing children? There must be a limit to spending on a single case. The one consistent sentiment among [the] Portuguese, who are very family-focused, is to ask why Madeleine and her siblings were ever left alone in the first place. Parents here would take their children with them to the restaurant.’

In a symbol of solidarity with the McCanns, De Lisle College in Loughborough — the secondary school Madeleine, who would now be 14, would have attended — continues to reserve a place for her. This year, she would have started her GCSE course.

Unless the woman in purple is tracked down in the next few months, the moment of closure for Operation Grange is approaching.

Despite a monumental effort, the case of Madeleine McCann, one of the most haunting mysteries of modern times, is likely to remain just that.


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Post by Whiterose » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:36 am

They know who she is and are trying to find her due to the police having interest in her husbands past. Wonder what he had been up to then :s_dunno
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Post by Carana » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:36 am

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Post by Carana » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:08 pm

Not overly impressed so far... :rolleyes:

Yes, there apparently was a woman with a purplish top in the vicinity. That's about as far as anything verifiable appears to go.

A look at tabloid-speak:

"It is this ‘woman in purple’, the Mail understands, who is keeping alive Operation Grange, the marathon reinvestigation of the Madeleine McCann case by Scotland Yard, now in its sixth year."

Where does this "understanding" come from?


"The suspect is believed to be Bulgarian and was living in Praia da Luz with her partner, a man of German or Eastern European descent (now believed to be dead) at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance. It is thought that police interest is linked to discoveries about her late partner’s history."


Where does this "belief" come from?

"In the past few months, the Grange team — now down to four detectives from a peak of 31 — has been criss-crossing Europe trying to locate the woman."

According to whom?

Their budget had been due to run out in September, but officers are understood to have used the ‘woman in purple’ line of investigation to persuade the Home Office — which is financing the inquiry from central government funds — to grant a six-month extension.

Where does this "understanding" come from?

Given that Mrs Murat (whose son Robert was arrested as a suspect two weeks after Madeleine’s disappearance, but cleared of any involvement) raised the alarm about the woman on the morning after the alleged abduction, it must be asked why it has taken ten years for attention to focus on this suspect?

Who in authority has confirmed that this person hasn't been identified?

Equally pertinent, perhaps, is the question: why is the British taxpayer being asked to finance Operation Grange further when all other leads have come to dispiriting dead-ends?


Ahhh. The taxpayer issue again. Surprise, surprise.

Let's try an analogy: Your home is flooding due to water leaks. You pay for a plumber to find the source. The plumber finds numerous leaks and plugs them. But your home keeps on flooding. Clearly not all of the leaks have been plugged. What do you do now, after having spent so much? Just accept that the one elusive leak isn't worth a tiny bit more? *


And right down at the end, which most people don't bother to read, but is intended to "balance" the story:

Of course, it must be acknowledged that the suffering of Madeleine’s parents, Gerry and Kate McCann, over their daughter’s disappearance is as unimaginable as it is unending.

Every parent will sympathise with their conviction that, until proven otherwise, Madeleine may yet be found alive and well.

But the brutal and tragic truth is that it is more than probable the woman in purple is unlikely to be the key to solving this mystery....



* ETA: It's not just your home, but those of several other people: the other children assaulted and whoever did this (one or more) still does not appear to have been identified and charged.

What about those families? Don't they count?
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Post by Chinagirl » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:12 pm

Good points, Carana.
[T]hose children were left alone and because of that fact one of them disappeared. (Fatima de Oliveira Esteves)

Wrong.
It's because someone took her.

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Post by Carana » Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:41 am

maddie hunt twist
Police investigating Madeleine McCann disappearance travel to Bulgaria in search of p.a.e.dophile’s widow

Detectives want to speak to a woman dressed in purple who was working with her husband near the Algarve holiday apartment where the three-year-old vanished in 2007
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DETECTIVES hunting for Madeleine McCann have travelled to Bulgaria to pursue a new lead, we can reveal.

They are seeking a woman dressed in purple who may hold the key to the girl’s disappearance.
Police hunting for Madeleine McCann have travelled to Bulgaria to pursue a new lead
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Police hunting for Madeleine McCann have travelled to Bulgaria to pursue a new lead

Her husband, now dead, is a convicted p.a.e.dophile.

The couple were working as domestic helpers near the Algarve holiday apartment where Madeleine vanished in 2007 aged three.

Locals reported them to police but nothing was followed up until Scotland Yard officers re-examined statements.

Witnesses said the woman was seen close to the Ocean Club complex in Praia da Luz where the McCanns were staying.
Police are hunting a woman in purple who worked locally, whose husband was a convicted p.a.e.dophile
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Police are hunting a woman in purple who worked locally, whose husband was a convicted p.a.e.dophile
Parents Kate and Gerry, of Rothley, Leics, were dining nearby when Madeleine vanished in Praia da Luz
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Parents Kate and Gerry, of Rothley, Leics, were dining nearby when Madeleine vanished in Praia da Luz

She and her husband vanished after Madeleine went missing.

Cops have been unable to locate the wife despite extensive searches.

A source said: “There is no evidence they were involved but it would be good to eliminate them from the investigation.”

Parents Kate and Gerry, both 49, of Rothley, Leics, were dining nearby when Madeleine was taken but her younger twin siblings were left.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4843610/m ... -bulgaria/
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How did they indentify her I wonder? Going from a woman in purple standing outside the McCann's apartment, to someone they know whose husband is dead. Mrs. Murat didn't know who she was.

Maybe she was able to give a description of her face?

Why didn't Amaral investigate this person? I'm sorry but all this should have come out at the start shouldn't it? Mrs. Murat's son was helping the police taking statements about who saw what and who was where etc. Yet, his own mother didn't tell him she saw a woman dressed in purple, who she had never seen before standing outside 5a!!! Very strange.
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Whiterose wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:48 am
How did they indentify her I wonder? Going from a woman in purple standing outside the McCann's apartment, to someone they know whose husband is dead. Mrs. Murat didn't know who she was.

Maybe she was able to give a description of her face?

Why didn't Amaral investigate this person? I'm sorry but all this should have come out at the start shouldn't it? Mrs. Murat's son was helping the police taking statements about who saw what and who was where etc. Yet, his own mother didn't tell him she saw a woman dressed in purple, who she had never seen before standing outside 5a!!! Very strange.

Jes thought the woman was Jane. Jenny Murat may have been too far away to give a description.

I've no idea whether Jenny passed this detail to Rob or not. Nor whether she'd found it suspicious or not. Nor whether he submitted it or not.
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Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:48 am
How did they indentify her I wonder? Going from a woman in purple standing outside the McCann's apartment, to someone they know whose husband is dead. Mrs. Murat didn't know who she was.

Maybe she was able to give a description of her face?

Why didn't Amaral investigate this person? I'm sorry but all this should have come out at the start shouldn't it? Mrs. Murat's son was helping the police taking statements about who saw what and who was where etc. Yet, his own mother didn't tell him she saw a woman dressed in purple, who she had never seen before standing outside 5a!!! Very strange.
Amaral may well have assumed it was Jane, possibly due to Jes Wilkin's statement, who seems to have assumed it was her at some point. Perhaps he saw someone who resembled her and by that time he'd probably seen her either around the resort or in the media and simply came to the conclusion that that must have been the person he saw.
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Post by Hael » Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:54 pm

I know there isn't much news on the case to go around, but rehashing and regurgitating only keeps the haters alive. :s_sad
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Dunno. MAYBE there's a connection with smellyman... or it could simply be a mish-mash of whatever a hack can find to fill a blank space before deadline.
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Post by Whiterose » Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:50 pm

The thing is Jenny Murat didn't mention this person in her statement. I really don't know how they have come to this conclusion. I don't think they are revealing what they really know and I don't blame them :s_yes
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Hael wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:54 pm
I know there isn't much news on the case to go around, but rehashing and regurgitating only keeps the haters alive. :s_sad
What ever is written will keep some alive Hael, they pour over everything with the word McCann in it.
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Whiterose wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:50 pm
The thing is Jenny Murat didn't mention this person in her statement. I really don't know how they have come to this conclusion. I don't think they are revealing what they really know and I don't blame them :s_yes
The PJ interview with Jenny all centred around Rob.

She doesn't appear to have been asked if she'd noticed anything suspicious and I'm not convcinced that unless prompted, the atmosphere in a PJ inverview was propicious to volunteering extra information.

In context, I could well imagine she was more concerned about her son at that point (15 May).

She may not have realised at the time that this woman could potentially be of interest, or it simply wasn't the moment to point out anything off her own bat in case the PJ took it as an attempt at "don't look here, look there".

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JENNIFER-MURAT.htm
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Carana wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:27 pm
Whiterose wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:50 pm
The thing is Jenny Murat didn't mention this person in her statement. I really don't know how they have come to this conclusion. I don't think they are revealing what they really know and I don't blame them :s_yes
The PJ interview with Jenny all centred around Rob.

She doesn't appear to have been asked if she'd noticed anything suspicious and I'm not convcinced that unless prompted, the atmosphere in a PJ inverview was propicious to volunteering extra information.

In context, I could well imagine she was more concerned about her son at that point (15 May).

She may not have realised at the time that this woman could potentially be of interest, or it simply wasn't the moment to point out anything off her own bat in case the PJ took it as an attempt at "don't look here, look there".

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JENNIFER-MURAT.htm
I agree with what you said Carana.
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Post by honestbroker1 » Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:34 pm

Hael wrote:
Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:33 pm
Carana wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:27 pm
Whiterose wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:50 pm
The thing is Jenny Murat didn't mention this person in her statement. I really don't know how they have come to this conclusion. I don't think they are revealing what they really know and I don't blame them :s_yes
The PJ interview with Jenny all centred around Rob.

She doesn't appear to have been asked if she'd noticed anything suspicious and I'm not convcinced that unless prompted, the atmosphere in a PJ inverview was propicious to volunteering extra information.

In context, I could well imagine she was more concerned about her son at that point (15 May).

She may not have realised at the time that this woman could potentially be of interest, or it simply wasn't the moment to point out anything off her own bat in case the PJ took it as an attempt at "don't look here, look there".

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JENNIFER-MURAT.htm
I agree with what you said Carana.
Yes, and in a sense, similar with the Smiths.

Not quite the same, but similar.

The Smiths are heavily and, I think, unjustly, criticised, including by, in other respects, sensible people, for delaying before coming forward with information about the man they saw carrying a child.

But it actually can take a while to compute that something you've seen that, at the time, might have seemed, to you, quite unremarkable or prosaic, could, after all, be deeply significant, particularly to something like the commission of a crime.

The Smiths have been (commendably) secretive and protective of their privacy. They have never thrust themselves into the limelight and I applaud them for that.

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Post by Whiterose » Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:54 pm

honestbroker1 wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:34 pm
Hael wrote:
Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:33 pm
Carana wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:27 pm
Whiterose wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:50 pm
The thing is Jenny Murat didn't mention this person in her statement. I really don't know how they have come to this conclusion. I don't think they are revealing what they really know and I don't blame them :s_yes
The PJ interview with Jenny all centred around Rob.

She doesn't appear to have been asked if she'd noticed anything suspicious and I'm not convcinced that unless prompted, the atmosphere in a PJ inverview was propicious to volunteering extra information.

In context, I could well imagine she was more concerned about her son at that point (15 May).

She may not have realised at the time that this woman could potentially be of interest, or it simply wasn't the moment to point out anything off her own bat in case the PJ took it as an attempt at "don't look here, look there".

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JENNIFER-MURAT.htm
I agree with what you said Carana.
Yes, and in a sense, similar with the Smiths.

Not quite the same, but similar.

The Smiths are heavily and, I think, unjustly, criticised, including by, in other respects, sensible people, for delaying before coming forward with information about the man they saw carrying a child.

But it actually can take a while to compute that something you've seen that, at the time, might have seemed, to you, quite unremarkable or prosaic, could, after all, be deeply significant, particularly to something like the commission of a crime.

The Smiths have been (commendably) secretive and protective of their privacy. They have never thrust themselves into the limelight and I applaud them for that.
I agree about what you say about the Smiths HB.

Jenny Murat on the other hand, set up a roadside 'tell me if you saw anything strange, or have information about Madeleine' table didn't she? Asking others to say if they saw someone or something odd, yet she didn't think to mention what she saw, she said she had never seen the woman before and it looked strange.
"The greater the difficulty, the more glory in surmounting it. Skillful pilots gain their reputation from storms and tempests."

Epictetus

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