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Re: German prisoner identified as suspect

Post by catkins » Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:10 pm

It’s as confusing as ever...In my opinion .......Amaral has to cover his back so I doubt anything new or helpful will come from PT.

I hope that the McCanns are staying as strong as they can be during all of this.
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Re: German prisoner identified as suspect

Post by jjbd » Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:16 pm

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Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:19 pm
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If the photos of the van shown by amaral are really what it looked like at the time - it would throw up major questions about the guys intentions with a van like that.
I don't remember anybody ever saying there was a van with those drawing on it before. Not in the original statements and not in the press reports and interview with locals following the German appeal.

Surely such drawings on a van would have been mentioned by someone?
And when were they removed?

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Re: German prisoner identified as suspect

Post by Carana » Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:05 pm

jjbd wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:16 pm
jjbd wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:19 pm
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If the photos of the van shown by amaral are really what it looked like at the time - it would throw up major questions about the guys intentions with a van like that.
I don't remember anybody ever saying there was a van with those drawing on it before. Not in the original statements and not in the press reports and interview with locals following the German appeal.

Surely such drawings on a van would have been mentioned by someone?
And when were they removed?

Me neither.

He couldn't possibly have produced it from the files still under judicial secrecy, could he?

If so, how does he have a copy? If not, what's the source?
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Post by Carana » Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:05 pm

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Perhaps the pp could explain why Amaral is in possession of these photos.
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Re: German prisoner identified as suspect

Post by Carana » Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:07 pm

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Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:13 am
GA:… around 10 pm and what these people say is what the whole world knows, that who… was later, who could… came to that conclusion that the person who was transporting that child was the person who was coming down from, from a certain plane, on a certain date with a son in his arms in England, who was the father of the girl… Madeleine. So, they didn't say he was similar, they said 80 or almost 90% it was Maddie's father. By the way of walking, by the structure, and so on …

You liar Amaral, Smith said 60-80 % can't even get your facts right.

The man makes me sick.
Facts have never been his strong point...
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Re: German prisoner identified as suspect

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Gonçalo Amaral - Jornal das 8, TVI - June 21 2020 20:00 (Part II)


We are publishing today the second part of Gonçalo Amaral's appearance on the "Jornal das 8", last Sunday.

We apologise for the number of "imperceptible" used in this post but this is due mainly to the fact that both José Alberto Carvalho and Amaral interrupted each other and spoke at times at the same time making it very difficult to understand some words.

We won't say impossible because we have a good friend of ours - and will remain unnamed - who has volunteered to, in due time, to try and replace as many "imperceptibles" as possible with the words that were actually said.

As we believe that they won't significantly change any of the main messages of the interview, we have decided to publish what we were able to achieve.

Our translation:



José Alberto Carvalho: Let me ask you this question Gonçalo Amaral, could Christian Brueckner be the author of… whatever happened to Madeleine McCann or not?

Gonçalo Amaral: To answer that question, it needs first to be demonstrated that there was an abduction. And what I can demonstrate is that all those people who were there lied, there was never any scheme to… monitor the children who were at home, sleeping in the apartments… they went to the apartments to use the WC, this is written in statements they made, they told the receptionist that they were going to the apartment to see their children, they didn’t say they were going to the bathroom because the bathroom by the pool didn’t have great conditions to go there, they simulated a situation of abduction with the window, with the opening of it all... saying that the window was open, it was closed, a big mess...

JAC: First it was closed, then it was open...

GA: Where, where there is only one fingerprint...

JAC: Hmmm, hmmm

GA: …that is from the child's mother… there are no signs of burglary in that apartment, so, there are only 2 ways to get in, one with a false key, which was investigated and we did not reach conclusions that said it could have been used, so in principle it was not and the other entrance through the entrance of the sliding doors where everyone entered, alone. They led us… so, they lied, there were many lies, they led the PJ to… to waste a lot of time and to follow a path that… for example, took us to Robert Murat. There is a witness who tells us... he points the way of the man who carried the child to Robert Murat's villa. And despite this, this… let's say mistake, it was thanks to Robert Murat, thanks to the publicity surrounding Robert Murat, that we were able to have such a testimony from the Irish. That it is one of the Irish who says, that he sees, that he sees that man who he says that, he is their father, that he says, states that he is the father and I don't know in how much percent that he is the girl's father and who says this is not…

JAC: Gerry McCann was transporting the child...

GA: ...it is not Robert Murat, that one I know. So, this is all in the process. And it's in the process, and notice…

JAC: But it's also in the process...

GA: Just notice one thing, notice one thing...

JAC: Gonçalo Amaral let me, let me try to know...

GA: This, this, these people, these people, this is important to be said, these people who did what they did, which is... during that week they abandoned their children... where even, in this specific case, in this apartment from which Madeleine disappeared, Madeleine herself, on the previous day, or two before, was around… more than 10 pm crying more than, for more than an hour, screaming for her parents and no one went there, so, we don’t… we don’t know why they didn’t go, but the fact is that the surveillance system was not working, so to speak, or it was no longer necessary at that time, I agree, it may have been for any reason that we don’t know, but the fact is that she was there abandoned. And these people who abandoned their children, who lied to the police and continue to lie because they never told the truth of what actually happened, and that it was necessary to carry out a reconstitution in Portugal, still remains today to move or not move what went on there, and in fact define times, because it is necessary...

JAC: Why was this reconstitution never done?

GA: It wasn't done because there was a lot of media pressure. We were unable to do there the reconstitution...

JAC: In peace?

GA: Not just in peace, in practical terms. I, I remind you of just one… it’s… but going back a bit in terms of the reconstitution, these people left Portugal. They left Portugal, they all left and never came here… the… the couple…

JAC: But they were here for a long time, in those days after the… the…

GA: Exactly, but the friends had already left, and if they were Portuguese, have no doubts, they were here in Portugal, surely the reconstruction would have been done at any time. Here, the friends later refused to come back to do… do the reconstitution…

JAC: But were they summoned to it, were they notified for it?

GA: They were just as witnesses.

JAC: Hmm, hmm.

GA: And they refused to come. And if you notice, if you notice, over the years the British newspapers, and all the other newspapers in the world, are so… but mainly the British are interested in the case and never, but never tried to interview some of those people who were there, just and only the couple, so the others all who planned that scheme in terms of delivering 2 documents a bit (imperceptible)...

JAC: Even in the 8-episode documentary that…

GA: …and I don't know how many more…

JAC: …is available on Netflix, these people don't appear, it's true…

GA: And they didn't appear.

JAC: It is true.

GA: And so, just to remind you this, we, from that point at which it was made... this sighting was made, let's say, this testimony...

JAC: That testimony that is related to that night around 10 pm

GA: ...in principle Madeleine (imperceptible), we tried, we tried at a certain time... running away from journalists, to cover that whole area even in terms of houses, from there to the sea. And when we were almost halfway, one of us is discovered, and we had to leave the area. It was a diligence that we never managed to finish, because of… the confusion that arose there…

JAC: The number of journalists that were there, yes...

GA: This was...

JAC: Let me...

GA: ...what happened.

JAC: Very well. Gonçalo Amaral, at the time, one can now understand, and I wanted to ask you this: Christian Brueckner was one of the people who came to be identified as one of the people of interest for the investigation at the time, as far as it was reported there were 6… 600 people or over time it was accumulated 600 people time who could be of interest for the investigation…

GA: A lot of diligences were taken at the time of the (imperceptible)...

JAC: Was Christian Brueckner one of those 600 people or not?

GA: Only rereading the process (imperceptible)...

JAC: You have no memory of that?

GA: I have been told that yes, that there went there knocking on the door, colleagues who are retired like me and who said that the person was not at home. But there were hundreds...

JAC: But, that is, it must have been...

GA: They were in the hundreds, and just (imperceptible)...

JAC: But note one thing Gonçalo Amaral, the, the question that is here... but the question that is here is...

GA: It could have been theft, we also did...

JAC: We know that he served a sentence...

GA: …there was the making of a list of burglars, namely burglary in apartments, and apparently this man was not in the list of apartment burglaries, he will have stolen…

JAC: Fuel...

GA: Yes, fuel.

JAC: Yes, but now what is known about... apparently what is known about this man is truly worrying, about... from various points of view...

GA: It's like I say, an almost perfect suspect...

JAC: But, but... but it is known that he has a long record of sexual crimes...

GA: Hmmm, hmmm.

JAC: …that in contrary to seem to be other such criminals, who do not have a particular fixation on a certain age, there are, there are apparently random behaviours, moreover he is sentenced for the rape of an American tourist…

GA: What I heard...

JAC: …75 years old at, at… the rape happened…

GA: Yes...

JAC: …at Praia da Luz…

GA: Yes, yes...

JAC: You know also... anyway, I would like to... that is, what I would like to understand is if he was investigated and if... why did the interest in him disappear, or if he was never taken seriously, with the information that was there at the time?

GA: You know... the, the information there was about p.a.e.d.o.philes was only that they were p.a.e.d.o.philes and people who were close to the village and as José Alberto said, they are in the hundreds and it is not possible to investigate each one in detail. Going further, I remember that, for example, we reached Albufeira… Albufeira [60Km East of PdL] and Tavira [120 km East of PdL] and so on, and investigations cannot be done that way…

JAC: Gonçalo Amaral, but wait, this rape of this American tourist...

GA:… and note, what if…

JAC: ...was two years before Madeleine's disappearance...

GA: …what if… say again?

JAC: The rape of the 72 year old American tourist, I said 75…

GA: When was it communicated in terms to the PJ?

JAC: When was it?



GA: I don't know (shrugs)...

JAC: No... I don't know...

GA: I didn’t know.

JAC: There was no… no, if… the lady filed a complaint…

GA: We, for example, I can tell you...

JAC: ...the lady made a complaint...

GA: Where?

JAC: (…)

GA: When?



JAC: (…)

GA: Yes, in terms of the PJ, in terms of knowing... and if we are looking for a p.a.e.dophile...

JAC: Because this man...

GA: …or are we looking for a, a, a rapist of adults?

JAC: No, no, no... certainly...

GA: I remind you...

JAC: ...but it happened two, two years earlier and he, he is now being held in a German prison, exactly serving a sentence, for this crime... this is the crime that led him to, now, to prison. And then it was possible...

GA: And he was identified much later...

JAC: He was identified in 2018...

GA: Well ... there it is, so in 2007 he wasn't identified.

JAC: …based on 2 evidences… based on two essential evidences….

GA: In 2007 he was not identified.

JAC: ...but there is hair that was found on the victim's bed...

GA: Yes...

JAC: …victim of the rape that was preserved and that now has allowed to update and make a match, make the…

GA: Yes. But that's another investigation, not the…

JAC: Certainly.

GA: ...Maddie case, it's another investigation ...

JAC: But it turns out that this man, who stayed in the Algarve and in that region for some time, it is how this is expl… this is how, how I try to understand, the photographs that were released by the German police about the houses, the places , vehicles, etc ... and I would also like to hear you about this, about, about these... this exercise from the German police which is to appeal to the memory of someone with some details very... I don't know if they are subtle, no... but, anyway, with some details and, and… do the photographs tell you something, for example, be it of the houses or of the vehicles that the German police revealed?

GA: I think the appeal serves what it serves, because for example the motorhome was removed, it was taken from Portugal to Germany to be examined, so from there...

JAC: A white and yellow VW Westfalia motorhome ...

GA: …and what was important was that, trying to understand why… those images that are passed and that were passed…



JAC: These?

GA: ...have been altered.

JAC: These? These are the images I collected yesterday, from the website of the German police...

GA: I can show you...

JAC: …BKA.



GA: I can show you the… a photograph, which is the photograph of the vehicle that this suspect was using, and would be using in 2007, according to the German police, and which is totally different from what they have shown us…

JAC: Is that the vehicle?




GA: This is the vehicle. And if you notice the photo in there (imperceptible) ...

JAC: But the vehicle is not the same!

GA: It's the same, it is.

JAC: Is it?

GA: If you notice the photo, if you have another photo of the…

JAC: We have.

GA: …rear of vehicle…

JAC: I think so ... I ... I ... have been gathering ... is it this one, this one?



GA: If you notice, you can see that in that image there are two details there, first it was covered the... one can noticed that there is a colour missing, there is a black in the middle and there is a new logo on the right side. Then there's the registration plate...

JAC: I'm going to let the image be enlarged a little…



GA: ...the registration plate, covered, and has the letter "D", the registration number is Portuguese.

JAC: Because the car was...

GA: The car is from 82 and was registered in Portugal in 2004. If you want you can have the photo.

JAC: So, what you're saying is that this...

GA: Regarding the same pho… the same vehicle…

JAC: This photo is from when, do you have an idea?

GA: That photograph? That photograph is from last year.

JAC: This is from last year?

GA: It's from last year, so what matters to know is, the idea that (imperceptible)

JAC: That is, that is ...but last year that van that we were seeing in the images was already in Germany, or not?

GA: It would have gone from Portugal last year for Germany.

JAC: And was this photograph taken in Portugal or in Germany?



GA: In Portugal.

JAC: Hmm.

GA: This is another photograph of the same vehicle.



JAC: Excuse me...

GA: Now what one asks, what one asks, what?

JAC: That is, what are you saying with this?

GA: What am I saying? It's evident.

JAC: Is that the, the van that was shown in…

GA: ... the, the, the photo of the motorhome is completely different.

JAC: No, this motor… it's not the same motorhome.



GA: This is the same motorhome.

JAC: Hmm.

GA: This is the same motorhome, and it was the motorhome that was taken from here to Germany, to be examined where... and was used here as a deposit for figs and carob.

JAC: Hmm, hmm.

GA: And, it appeared... then this image appears without this personalization, so to speak...

JAC: Of these drawings?

GA: Yes, without those drawings. And what one asks is this, would that vehicle go unnoticed in Praia da Luz, in any other location or not? Surely not. And what one further asks is, there are several... what one asks is, did the... the German authorities come to the conclusion that at the time of 2007 the vehicle was not like this but was still painted white and so on? Who told them that?

JAC: Hmm.



GA: Could it be that the German authorities, or the Germans or the English, I don't know who did this, it certainly wasn't in Portugal, because the Portuguese did not disclose the photographs, and in fact they have not disclosed anything in relation to the process, is it that whoever has disclosed that is trying to check information, so to speak? If someone calls, look, I saw the car on this location and... forget it, you didn't see anything because the car was in another way.

JAC: Gonçalo Amaral, let me ask you, it is possible to know more...

GA: So there are several versions here...

JAC: …information about these photographs, where were they taken?

GA: These photographs were taken in the Algarve.

JAC: In the Alg .. right, in a location…

GA: You know that I know a lot of people who, who...

JAC: Yes...

GA: ...know the Algoz [55Km East of PdL] area...

JAC: …you worked in the Algarve for many years…

GA: ...people who are dedicated to picking oranges and other things... so they are photographs.

JAC: Hmmm…

GA: Now, another question, still in relation to... in the end, I don’t want to be dominating, say, the interview... there is something different about this, in this whole situation of... the almost perfect suspect as I call him, the scapegoat however one wants to say… there is a new data here, a data that hasn’t been arrived yet in terms of information, so, there’s a lot… the bomb was dropped, it was said that the suspect is similar to a… he isn’t, the images that are, are with 43 years old, so if you look at my images from 2013, I am completely different, as people change… but the new data, the new data, what is there, is that someone…

JAC: In other words, instead of disclo… this photograph that is being disseminated is current and it should have been one of 13 years ago, is that what you are saying?



GA: Yeah ... that (laughs) would be interesting. And... there's a new data here. The new data is that the German authorities are asking ... they are... it seems that they are trying to reexamine all, all the vestiges, hepatic, biological, hematic and biological...

JAC: Blood.

GA: …that have been found. Where? We wait... Where? Inside the apartment, in the vehicle...

JAC: Rented...

GA: …rented by the couple and also on the street. There are only 3 places where vestiges were found: inside the apartment, on the street, where there is blood, where these vestiges were collected, and inside the couple's vehicle rented I don't know how many days later, I no longer remember. And this is what is the new data. And this is the big question: do the German authorities think they will solve the case, when… I even thought it was a wrong translation when a… a German police officer says that the child may have been shot inside the apartment… What does that mean? That there was blood. And in fact it was... it was the dogs, those dogs... someone said somewhere... a lawyer connected to the couple said that our investigation, that what was in my book, which is basically our investigation in those 4 months, it was not 13 years, nor 13 months, it was 4 months… that our investigation had been a fantasy, a fable… but you know that dogs were used, dogs sent by the English and suggested by the English, because it was them who suggested a death…

JAC: Yes...

GA: A death, worse, we talk of and...

JAC: I remember those images, the dogs identified the scent of blood...

GA: …we have always talked of an accident and the English speak about homicide. It's not us. They are the ones who talk about homicide. We talk about an accident. This is documented. And, such a shooting produces blood. We… in the examination that was carried out at the site, no vestige of a shooting was found, nor does the child who in the man’s arms show signs of having been shot, what she has is that she is sleeping soundly, this is said by the people who passed by there.

JAC: Seemed to be sleeping soundly.

GA: Seemed to be sleeping soundly. And so this is the data, is that the dogs that made these markings and these markings were made by the dogs, the vestiges that were collected with the help of these dogs, from the said fable, are the ones that the German police want to analyse. When saliva is spoken about...

JAC: Gonçalo Amaral, let me just try, let me just try to understand something...

GA: Just, just to finish this question of the vestiges, when it comes to the saliva in Maddie's bed, it is a lie, it was not in Maddie's bed, it is in the bed by the window, and what the saliva is, is a mixture of baby saliva with breast milk... and were identified, the mother and the people who were in that apartment.

JAC: Before the McCanns?

GA: Before the McCanns. And, therefore, we have to wait...

JAC: Gonçalo Amaral, I only have 1 minute left...

GA: ...to understand in what this will give...

JAC: …we only have 1 minute here, I would like, I would really like to prolong this conversation but unfortunately it won't be possible. We are here... what could be the interest of the German police in allowing themselves to be seduced, in your opinion by what you have just explained, in face of a, a ... a lead that leads nowhere in your opinion?

GA: It leads. It leads for the German authorities to have competence to investigate the case.

JAC: And they have?

GA: If they have a German suspect, there are those who say yes, there are those who say no, the case is here...

JAC: Can this be good or bad for the discovery of the material truth?

GA: I think that the police ... the Portuguese authorities and the Portuguese police can do here, our laboratories, what the Germans want to do there. There was no need to let it go to Germany again...

JAC: It already was.

GA: It was, it was last year, again something to be examined, it could have been examined here. It had already happened, that is said (imperceptible) error...

JAC: Let me repeat this question because it seems that your answer may be interesting, the fact that it is the German police who are conducting the investigation now, based on this, on this pretext, which is what I understand from your words...

GA: The German police conduct the investigation there in Germany...

JAC: But can that be a good thing?

GA: …because here, the PJ is the one conducting the investigation.

JAC: The question is, can this be good and, and relevant, or not for finding evidence that can explain what happened that day? In more (imperceptible)...

GA: Nowadays there are new techniques for, for analysing and, and... for... and even re-analyse what has been examined. If there is enough remnant, it is possible to reach other conclusions. I remind that in the vehicle rented by the couple there are hairs that were returned that is said that by the colouring it’s from the missing girl's, but as they have no root, they are unable to dee… to determine the DNA. It is known that there are laboratories that can do this...

JAC: Now...

GA: …so Germans who have money can easily solve this mystery.

JAC: Gonçalo Amaral, I had many more questions to ask you...

GA: And I had a lot more to say.

JAC: I appreciate your availability, surely this will be in the next hours in the international media, right? In Germany, in England, which van is this after all...

GA: The one they presented.

JAC: Yes, right, right, right, we have no… no, there is no photograph from the German authorities with… an indication of the license plate, which could be… help to understand better…

GA: That may have been a technique. It's the same one.

JAC: Yes, but are you sure it's the same one?

GA: Oh, it's the same one!

JAC: This is the same one that was shown, but it is not the same because it was like that and now it is in another way. Gonçalo Amaral, thank you very much, for, for… for the contribution you ended up giving here. In the face of this case that continues to impassion and divide the opinions of many people until it is finally closed, if ever that will be possible. Do you believe it will be possible?

GA: There is a colleague of mine with whom I had lunch recently who says yes, and I believe him, that… that a lot is still going to happen. So let's wait...

JAC: Thank you very much, we will really have to stop here...

GA: It may take another 13 years and then I don't know if I'm here anymore...

JAC: Anyway, yes, it would be very, very prolonged. Thank you very much Gonçalo Amaral once again.

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Re: German prisoner identified as suspect

Post by jjbd » Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:29 pm

Thanks sal.

What a mess.

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Re: German prisoner identified as suspect

Post by honestbroker1 » Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:51 pm

sal wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:47 pm
textusa blog
Gonçalo Amaral - Jornal das 8, TVI - June 21 2020 20:00 (Part II)


We are publishing today the second part of Gonçalo Amaral's appearance on the "Jornal das 8", last Sunday.

We apologise for the number of "imperceptible" used in this post but this is due mainly to the fact that both José Alberto Carvalho and Amaral interrupted each other and spoke at times at the same time making it very difficult to understand some words.

We won't say impossible because we have a good friend of ours - and will remain unnamed - who has volunteered to, in due time, to try and replace as many "imperceptibles" as possible with the words that were actually said.

As we believe that they won't significantly change any of the main messages of the interview, we have decided to publish what we were able to achieve.

Our translation:



José Alberto Carvalho: Let me ask you this question Gonçalo Amaral, could Christian Brueckner be the author of… whatever happened to Madeleine McCann or not?

Gonçalo Amaral: To answer that question, it needs first to be demonstrated that there was an abduction. And what I can demonstrate is that all those people who were there lied, there was never any scheme to… monitor the children who were at home, sleeping in the apartments… they went to the apartments to use the WC, this is written in statements they made, they told the receptionist that they were going to the apartment to see their children, they didn’t say they were going to the bathroom because the bathroom by the pool didn’t have great conditions to go there, they simulated a situation of abduction with the window, with the opening of it all... saying that the window was open, it was closed, a big mess...

JAC: First it was closed, then it was open...

GA: Where, where there is only one fingerprint...

JAC: Hmmm, hmmm

GA: …that is from the child's mother… there are no signs of burglary in that apartment, so, there are only 2 ways to get in, one with a false key, which was investigated and we did not reach conclusions that said it could have been used, so in principle it was not and the other entrance through the entrance of the sliding doors where everyone entered, alone. They led us… so, they lied, there were many lies, they led the PJ to… to waste a lot of time and to follow a path that… for example, took us to Robert Murat. There is a witness who tells us... he points the way of the man who carried the child to Robert Murat's villa. And despite this, this… let's say mistake, it was thanks to Robert Murat, thanks to the publicity surrounding Robert Murat, that we were able to have such a testimony from the Irish. That it is one of the Irish who says, that he sees, that he sees that man who he says that, he is their father, that he says, states that he is the father and I don't know in how much percent that he is the girl's father and who says this is not…

JAC: Gerry McCann was transporting the child...

GA: ...it is not Robert Murat, that one I know. So, this is all in the process. And it's in the process, and notice…

JAC: But it's also in the process...

GA: Just notice one thing, notice one thing...

JAC: Gonçalo Amaral let me, let me try to know...

GA: This, this, these people, these people, this is important to be said, these people who did what they did, which is... during that week they abandoned their children... where even, in this specific case, in this apartment from which Madeleine disappeared, Madeleine herself, on the previous day, or two before, was around… more than 10 pm crying more than, for more than an hour, screaming for her parents and no one went there, so, we don’t… we don’t know why they didn’t go, but the fact is that the surveillance system was not working, so to speak, or it was no longer necessary at that time, I agree, it may have been for any reason that we don’t know, but the fact is that she was there abandoned. And these people who abandoned their children, who lied to the police and continue to lie because they never told the truth of what actually happened, and that it was necessary to carry out a reconstitution in Portugal, still remains today to move or not move what went on there, and in fact define times, because it is necessary...

JAC: Why was this reconstitution never done?

GA: It wasn't done because there was a lot of media pressure. We were unable to do there the reconstitution...

JAC: In peace?

GA: Not just in peace, in practical terms. I, I remind you of just one… it’s… but going back a bit in terms of the reconstitution, these people left Portugal. They left Portugal, they all left and never came here… the… the couple…

JAC: But they were here for a long time, in those days after the… the…

GA: Exactly, but the friends had already left, and if they were Portuguese, have no doubts, they were here in Portugal, surely the reconstruction would have been done at any time. Here, the friends later refused to come back to do… do the reconstitution…

JAC: But were they summoned to it, were they notified for it?

GA: They were just as witnesses.

JAC: Hmm, hmm.

GA: And they refused to come. And if you notice, if you notice, over the years the British newspapers, and all the other newspapers in the world, are so… but mainly the British are interested in the case and never, but never tried to interview some of those people who were there, just and only the couple, so the others all who planned that scheme in terms of delivering 2 documents a bit (imperceptible)...

JAC: Even in the 8-episode documentary that…

GA: …and I don't know how many more…

JAC: …is available on Netflix, these people don't appear, it's true…

GA: And they didn't appear.

JAC: It is true.

GA: And so, just to remind you this, we, from that point at which it was made... this sighting was made, let's say, this testimony...

JAC: That testimony that is related to that night around 10 pm

GA: ...in principle Madeleine (imperceptible), we tried, we tried at a certain time... running away from journalists, to cover that whole area even in terms of houses, from there to the sea. And when we were almost halfway, one of us is discovered, and we had to leave the area. It was a diligence that we never managed to finish, because of… the confusion that arose there…

JAC: The number of journalists that were there, yes...

GA: This was...

JAC: Let me...

GA: ...what happened.

JAC: Very well. Gonçalo Amaral, at the time, one can now understand, and I wanted to ask you this: Christian Brueckner was one of the people who came to be identified as one of the people of interest for the investigation at the time, as far as it was reported there were 6… 600 people or over time it was accumulated 600 people time who could be of interest for the investigation…

GA: A lot of diligences were taken at the time of the (imperceptible)...

JAC: Was Christian Brueckner one of those 600 people or not?

GA: Only rereading the process (imperceptible)...

JAC: You have no memory of that?

GA: I have been told that yes, that there went there knocking on the door, colleagues who are retired like me and who said that the person was not at home. But there were hundreds...

JAC: But, that is, it must have been...

GA: They were in the hundreds, and just (imperceptible)...

JAC: But note one thing Gonçalo Amaral, the, the question that is here... but the question that is here is...

GA: It could have been theft, we also did...

JAC: We know that he served a sentence...

GA: …there was the making of a list of burglars, namely burglary in apartments, and apparently this man was not in the list of apartment burglaries, he will have stolen…

JAC: Fuel...

GA: Yes, fuel.

JAC: Yes, but now what is known about... apparently what is known about this man is truly worrying, about... from various points of view...

GA: It's like I say, an almost perfect suspect...

JAC: But, but... but it is known that he has a long record of sexual crimes...

GA: Hmmm, hmmm.

JAC: …that in contrary to seem to be other such criminals, who do not have a particular fixation on a certain age, there are, there are apparently random behaviours, moreover he is sentenced for the rape of an American tourist…

GA: What I heard...

JAC: …75 years old at, at… the rape happened…

GA: Yes...

JAC: …at Praia da Luz…

GA: Yes, yes...

JAC: You know also... anyway, I would like to... that is, what I would like to understand is if he was investigated and if... why did the interest in him disappear, or if he was never taken seriously, with the information that was there at the time?

GA: You know... the, the information there was about p.a.e.d.o.philes was only that they were p.a.e.d.o.philes and people who were close to the village and as José Alberto said, they are in the hundreds and it is not possible to investigate each one in detail. Going further, I remember that, for example, we reached Albufeira… Albufeira [60Km East of PdL] and Tavira [120 km East of PdL] and so on, and investigations cannot be done that way…

JAC: Gonçalo Amaral, but wait, this rape of this American tourist...

GA:… and note, what if…

JAC: ...was two years before Madeleine's disappearance...

GA: …what if… say again?

JAC: The rape of the 72 year old American tourist, I said 75…

GA: When was it communicated in terms to the PJ?

JAC: When was it?



GA: I don't know (shrugs)...

JAC: No... I don't know...

GA: I didn’t know.

JAC: There was no… no, if… the lady filed a complaint…

GA: We, for example, I can tell you...

JAC: ...the lady made a complaint...

GA: Where?

JAC: (…)

GA: When?



JAC: (…)

GA: Yes, in terms of the PJ, in terms of knowing... and if we are looking for a p.a.e.dophile...

JAC: Because this man...

GA: …or are we looking for a, a, a rapist of adults?

JAC: No, no, no... certainly...

GA: I remind you...

JAC: ...but it happened two, two years earlier and he, he is now being held in a German prison, exactly serving a sentence, for this crime... this is the crime that led him to, now, to prison. And then it was possible...

GA: And he was identified much later...

JAC: He was identified in 2018...

GA: Well ... there it is, so in 2007 he wasn't identified.

JAC: …based on 2 evidences… based on two essential evidences….

GA: In 2007 he was not identified.

JAC: ...but there is hair that was found on the victim's bed...

GA: Yes...

JAC: …victim of the rape that was preserved and that now has allowed to update and make a match, make the…

GA: Yes. But that's another investigation, not the…

JAC: Certainly.

GA: ...Maddie case, it's another investigation ...

JAC: But it turns out that this man, who stayed in the Algarve and in that region for some time, it is how this is expl… this is how, how I try to understand, the photographs that were released by the German police about the houses, the places , vehicles, etc ... and I would also like to hear you about this, about, about these... this exercise from the German police which is to appeal to the memory of someone with some details very... I don't know if they are subtle, no... but, anyway, with some details and, and… do the photographs tell you something, for example, be it of the houses or of the vehicles that the German police revealed?

GA: I think the appeal serves what it serves, because for example the motorhome was removed, it was taken from Portugal to Germany to be examined, so from there...

JAC: A white and yellow VW Westfalia motorhome ...

GA: …and what was important was that, trying to understand why… those images that are passed and that were passed…



JAC: These?

GA: ...have been altered.

JAC: These? These are the images I collected yesterday, from the website of the German police...

GA: I can show you...

JAC: …BKA.



GA: I can show you the… a photograph, which is the photograph of the vehicle that this suspect was using, and would be using in 2007, according to the German police, and which is totally different from what they have shown us…

JAC: Is that the vehicle?




GA: This is the vehicle. And if you notice the photo in there (imperceptible) ...

JAC: But the vehicle is not the same!

GA: It's the same, it is.

JAC: Is it?

GA: If you notice the photo, if you have another photo of the…

JAC: We have.

GA: …rear of vehicle…

JAC: I think so ... I ... I ... have been gathering ... is it this one, this one?



GA: If you notice, you can see that in that image there are two details there, first it was covered the... one can noticed that there is a colour missing, there is a black in the middle and there is a new logo on the right side. Then there's the registration plate...

JAC: I'm going to let the image be enlarged a little…



GA: ...the registration plate, covered, and has the letter "D", the registration number is Portuguese.

JAC: Because the car was...

GA: The car is from 82 and was registered in Portugal in 2004. If you want you can have the photo.

JAC: So, what you're saying is that this...

GA: Regarding the same pho… the same vehicle…

JAC: This photo is from when, do you have an idea?

GA: That photograph? That photograph is from last year.

JAC: This is from last year?

GA: It's from last year, so what matters to know is, the idea that (imperceptible)

JAC: That is, that is ...but last year that van that we were seeing in the images was already in Germany, or not?

GA: It would have gone from Portugal last year for Germany.

JAC: And was this photograph taken in Portugal or in Germany?



GA: In Portugal.

JAC: Hmm.

GA: This is another photograph of the same vehicle.



JAC: Excuse me...

GA: Now what one asks, what one asks, what?

JAC: That is, what are you saying with this?

GA: What am I saying? It's evident.

JAC: Is that the, the van that was shown in…

GA: ... the, the, the photo of the motorhome is completely different.

JAC: No, this motor… it's not the same motorhome.



GA: This is the same motorhome.

JAC: Hmm.

GA: This is the same motorhome, and it was the motorhome that was taken from here to Germany, to be examined where... and was used here as a deposit for figs and carob.

JAC: Hmm, hmm.

GA: And, it appeared... then this image appears without this personalization, so to speak...

JAC: Of these drawings?

GA: Yes, without those drawings. And what one asks is this, would that vehicle go unnoticed in Praia da Luz, in any other location or not? Surely not. And what one further asks is, there are several... what one asks is, did the... the German authorities come to the conclusion that at the time of 2007 the vehicle was not like this but was still painted white and so on? Who told them that?

JAC: Hmm.



GA: Could it be that the German authorities, or the Germans or the English, I don't know who did this, it certainly wasn't in Portugal, because the Portuguese did not disclose the photographs, and in fact they have not disclosed anything in relation to the process, is it that whoever has disclosed that is trying to check information, so to speak? If someone calls, look, I saw the car on this location and... forget it, you didn't see anything because the car was in another way.

JAC: Gonçalo Amaral, let me ask you, it is possible to know more...

GA: So there are several versions here...

JAC: …information about these photographs, where were they taken?

GA: These photographs were taken in the Algarve.

JAC: In the Alg .. right, in a location…

GA: You know that I know a lot of people who, who...

JAC: Yes...

GA: ...know the Algoz [55Km East of PdL] area...

JAC: …you worked in the Algarve for many years…

GA: ...people who are dedicated to picking oranges and other things... so they are photographs.

JAC: Hmmm…

GA: Now, another question, still in relation to... in the end, I don’t want to be dominating, say, the interview... there is something different about this, in this whole situation of... the almost perfect suspect as I call him, the scapegoat however one wants to say… there is a new data here, a data that hasn’t been arrived yet in terms of information, so, there’s a lot… the bomb was dropped, it was said that the suspect is similar to a… he isn’t, the images that are, are with 43 years old, so if you look at my images from 2013, I am completely different, as people change… but the new data, the new data, what is there, is that someone…

JAC: In other words, instead of disclo… this photograph that is being disseminated is current and it should have been one of 13 years ago, is that what you are saying?



GA: Yeah ... that (laughs) would be interesting. And... there's a new data here. The new data is that the German authorities are asking ... they are... it seems that they are trying to reexamine all, all the vestiges, hepatic, biological, hematic and biological...

JAC: Blood.

GA: …that have been found. Where? We wait... Where? Inside the apartment, in the vehicle...

JAC: Rented...

GA: …rented by the couple and also on the street. There are only 3 places where vestiges were found: inside the apartment, on the street, where there is blood, where these vestiges were collected, and inside the couple's vehicle rented I don't know how many days later, I no longer remember. And this is what is the new data. And this is the big question: do the German authorities think they will solve the case, when… I even thought it was a wrong translation when a… a German police officer says that the child may have been shot inside the apartment… What does that mean? That there was blood. And in fact it was... it was the dogs, those dogs... someone said somewhere... a lawyer connected to the couple said that our investigation, that what was in my book, which is basically our investigation in those 4 months, it was not 13 years, nor 13 months, it was 4 months… that our investigation had been a fantasy, a fable… but you know that dogs were used, dogs sent by the English and suggested by the English, because it was them who suggested a death…

JAC: Yes...

GA: A death, worse, we talk of and...

JAC: I remember those images, the dogs identified the scent of blood...

GA: …we have always talked of an accident and the English speak about homicide. It's not us. They are the ones who talk about homicide. We talk about an accident. This is documented. And, such a shooting produces blood. We… in the examination that was carried out at the site, no vestige of a shooting was found, nor does the child who in the man’s arms show signs of having been shot, what she has is that she is sleeping soundly, this is said by the people who passed by there.

JAC: Seemed to be sleeping soundly.

GA: Seemed to be sleeping soundly. And so this is the data, is that the dogs that made these markings and these markings were made by the dogs, the vestiges that were collected with the help of these dogs, from the said fable, are the ones that the German police want to analyse. When saliva is spoken about...

JAC: Gonçalo Amaral, let me just try, let me just try to understand something...

GA: Just, just to finish this question of the vestiges, when it comes to the saliva in Maddie's bed, it is a lie, it was not in Maddie's bed, it is in the bed by the window, and what the saliva is, is a mixture of baby saliva with breast milk... and were identified, the mother and the people who were in that apartment.

JAC: Before the McCanns?

GA: Before the McCanns. And, therefore, we have to wait...

JAC: Gonçalo Amaral, I only have 1 minute left...

GA: ...to understand in what this will give...

JAC: …we only have 1 minute here, I would like, I would really like to prolong this conversation but unfortunately it won't be possible. We are here... what could be the interest of the German police in allowing themselves to be seduced, in your opinion by what you have just explained, in face of a, a ... a lead that leads nowhere in your opinion?

GA: It leads. It leads for the German authorities to have competence to investigate the case.

JAC: And they have?

GA: If they have a German suspect, there are those who say yes, there are those who say no, the case is here...

JAC: Can this be good or bad for the discovery of the material truth?

GA: I think that the police ... the Portuguese authorities and the Portuguese police can do here, our laboratories, what the Germans want to do there. There was no need to let it go to Germany again...

JAC: It already was.

GA: It was, it was last year, again something to be examined, it could have been examined here. It had already happened, that is said (imperceptible) error...

JAC: Let me repeat this question because it seems that your answer may be interesting, the fact that it is the German police who are conducting the investigation now, based on this, on this pretext, which is what I understand from your words...

GA: The German police conduct the investigation there in Germany...

JAC: But can that be a good thing?

GA: …because here, the PJ is the one conducting the investigation.

JAC: The question is, can this be good and, and relevant, or not for finding evidence that can explain what happened that day? In more (imperceptible)...

GA: Nowadays there are new techniques for, for analysing and, and... for... and even re-analyse what has been examined. If there is enough remnant, it is possible to reach other conclusions. I remind that in the vehicle rented by the couple there are hairs that were returned that is said that by the colouring it’s from the missing girl's, but as they have no root, they are unable to dee… to determine the DNA. It is known that there are laboratories that can do this...

JAC: Now...

GA: …so Germans who have money can easily solve this mystery.

JAC: Gonçalo Amaral, I had many more questions to ask you...

GA: And I had a lot more to say.

JAC: I appreciate your availability, surely this will be in the next hours in the international media, right? In Germany, in England, which van is this after all...

GA: The one they presented.

JAC: Yes, right, right, right, we have no… no, there is no photograph from the German authorities with… an indication of the license plate, which could be… help to understand better…

GA: That may have been a technique. It's the same one.

JAC: Yes, but are you sure it's the same one?

GA: Oh, it's the same one!

JAC: This is the same one that was shown, but it is not the same because it was like that and now it is in another way. Gonçalo Amaral, thank you very much, for, for… for the contribution you ended up giving here. In the face of this case that continues to impassion and divide the opinions of many people until it is finally closed, if ever that will be possible. Do you believe it will be possible?

GA: There is a colleague of mine with whom I had lunch recently who says yes, and I believe him, that… that a lot is still going to happen. So let's wait...

JAC: Thank you very much, we will really have to stop here...

GA: It may take another 13 years and then I don't know if I'm here anymore...

JAC: Anyway, yes, it would be very, very prolonged. Thank you very much Gonçalo Amaral once again.

*****

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José Alberto Carvalho: Let me ask you this question Gonçalo Amaral, could Christian Brueckner be the author of… whatever happened to Madeleine McCann or not?

Gonçalo Amaral: To answer that question, it needs first to be demonstrated that there was an abduction. And what I can demonstrate is that all those people who were there lied, there was never any scheme to… monitor the children who were at home, sleeping in the apartments…
Idiocy personified.

Madeleine was discovered missing by Kate, who was, let's see! Checking on the children.

Does anyone dispute that?

Tends to far more than hint at a 'scheme' to check on the children.

As do the testimonies of several waiters who commented on frequent absences of the party during the week, with meals having to be re-heated, because (you guessed it) the parents were leaving the table to check on the children.

But then this (Amaral) is a man who thinks Mark Harrison re-directed the enquiry to look for a child hidden close to apartment 5a, when Mark Harrison actually, tentatively, concluded that if Madeleine is dead, he thought it most likely her remains were thrown into the sea.

This is a man who, at least wrote, that Eddie had 'no hesitation' in reacting to the Renault Scenic, when the dog was, in fact, repeatedly returned to the car until he did react, accurately, to DNA from Gerry on the ignition key.

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Re: German prisoner identified as suspect

Post by Chinagirl » Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:01 am

I don't recall that the German investigators have suggested anywhere that Madeleine was "shot."

To my mind, the above interview transcript demonstrates most clearly the appalling incompetence of Amaral as a detective. :s_mad
[T]hose children were left alone and because of that fact one of them disappeared. (Fatima de Oliveira Esteves)

Wrong.
It's because someone took her.

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Re: German prisoner identified as suspect

Post by Alibongo » Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:44 pm

That interview just goes to show just how tunnel visioned Amaral is. The viewers surely can't be left in any doubt just how skewed the investigation led by Amaral was!
His reputation is in shreds!!
Parent-blaming is all-too-common these days, and usually the point is to make other parents feel better about their own parenting skills

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Re: German prisoner identified as suspect

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Re: German prisoner identified as suspect

Post by honestbroker1 » Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:58 pm

jjbd wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:50 pm
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/11 ... ed-german/

May not be charged!!
Unreal.

This chap should keep his mouth shut until there is something positive to report.

On refection, perhaps substantial is a better choice of word than positive.

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Re: German prisoner identified as suspect

Post by honestbroker1 » Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:12 pm

Alibongo wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:44 pm
That interview just goes to show just how tunnel visioned Amaral is. The viewers surely can't be left in any doubt just how skewed the investigation led by Amaral was!
His reputation is in shreds!!
He won the libel trial, Ali.

Still, I don't disagree with you.

Perhaps some judges' reputations are in tatters too?

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Re: German prisoner identified as suspect

Post by jjbd » Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:36 pm

honestbroker1 wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:58 pm
jjbd wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:50 pm
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/11 ... ed-german/

May not be charged!!
Unreal.

This chap should keep his mouth shut until there is something positive to report.

On refection, perhaps substantial is a better choice of word than positive.
He should only be issuing official statements - not passing his opinion to papers in casual chats. It is very unprofessional and I wonder what the German authorities think.

I have never followed a "live and open" German investigation before so I do not know if this is usual.

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Re: German prisoner identified as suspect

Post by Pedro » Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:19 pm

jjbd, I agree with you. That German prosecutor should keep his mouth shut, because he has no evidence about that issue.

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Re: German prisoner identified as suspect

Post by catkins » Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:03 am

honestbroker1 wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:51 pm
sal wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:47 pm
textusa blog
Gonçalo Amaral - Jornal das 8, TVI - June 21 2020 20:00 (Part II)


We are publishing today the second part of Gonçalo Amaral's appearance on the "Jornal das 8", last Sunday.

We apologise for the number of "imperceptible" used in this post but this is due mainly to the fact that both José Alberto Carvalho and Amaral interrupted each other and spoke at times at the same time making it very difficult to understand some words.

We won't say impossible because we have a good friend of ours - and will remain unnamed - who has volunteered to, in due time, to try and replace as many "imperceptibles" as possible with the words that were actually said.

As we believe that they won't significantly change any of the main messages of the interview, we have decided to publish what we were able to achieve.

Our translation:



José Alberto Carvalho: Let me ask you this question Gonçalo Amaral, could Christian Brueckner be the author of… whatever happened to Madeleine McCann or not?

Gonçalo Amaral: To answer that question, it needs first to be demonstrated that there was an abduction. And what I can demonstrate is that all those people who were there lied, there was never any scheme to… monitor the children who were at home, sleeping in the apartments… they went to the apartments to use the WC, this is written in statements they made, they told the receptionist that they were going to the apartment to see their children, they didn’t say they were going to the bathroom because the bathroom by the pool didn’t have great conditions to go there, they simulated a situation of abduction with the window, with the opening of it all... saying that the window was open, it was closed, a big mess...

JAC: First it was closed, then it was open...

GA: Where, where there is only one fingerprint...

JAC: Hmmm, hmmm

GA: …that is from the child's mother… there are no signs of burglary in that apartment, so, there are only 2 ways to get in, one with a false key, which was investigated and we did not reach conclusions that said it could have been used, so in principle it was not and the other entrance through the entrance of the sliding doors where everyone entered, alone. They led us… so, they lied, there were many lies, they led the PJ to… to waste a lot of time and to follow a path that… for example, took us to Robert Murat. There is a witness who tells us... he points the way of the man who carried the child to Robert Murat's villa. And despite this, this… let's say mistake, it was thanks to Robert Murat, thanks to the publicity surrounding Robert Murat, that we were able to have such a testimony from the Irish. That it is one of the Irish who says, that he sees, that he sees that man who he says that, he is their father, that he says, states that he is the father and I don't know in how much percent that he is the girl's father and who says this is not…

JAC: Gerry McCann was transporting the child...

GA: ...it is not Robert Murat, that one I know. So, this is all in the process. And it's in the process, and notice…

JAC: But it's also in the process...

GA: Just notice one thing, notice one thing...

JAC: Gonçalo Amaral let me, let me try to know...

GA: This, this, these people, these people, this is important to be said, these people who did what they did, which is... during that week they abandoned their children... where even, in this specific case, in this apartment from which Madeleine disappeared, Madeleine herself, on the previous day, or two before, was around… more than 10 pm crying more than, for more than an hour, screaming for her parents and no one went there, so, we don’t… we don’t know why they didn’t go, but the fact is that the surveillance system was not working, so to speak, or it was no longer necessary at that time, I agree, it may have been for any reason that we don’t know, but the fact is that she was there abandoned. And these people who abandoned their children, who lied to the police and continue to lie because they never told the truth of what actually happened, and that it was necessary to carry out a reconstitution in Portugal, still remains today to move or not move what went on there, and in fact define times, because it is necessary...

JAC: Why was this reconstitution never done?

GA: It wasn't done because there was a lot of media pressure. We were unable to do there the reconstitution...

JAC: In peace?

GA: Not just in peace, in practical terms. I, I remind you of just one… it’s… but going back a bit in terms of the reconstitution, these people left Portugal. They left Portugal, they all left and never came here… the… the couple…

JAC: But they were here for a long time, in those days after the… the…

GA: Exactly, but the friends had already left, and if they were Portuguese, have no doubts, they were here in Portugal, surely the reconstruction would have been done at any time. Here, the friends later refused to come back to do… do the reconstitution…

JAC: But were they summoned to it, were they notified for it?

GA: They were just as witnesses.

JAC: Hmm, hmm.

GA: And they refused to come. And if you notice, if you notice, over the years the British newspapers, and all the other newspapers in the world, are so… but mainly the British are interested in the case and never, but never tried to interview some of those people who were there, just and only the couple, so the others all who planned that scheme in terms of delivering 2 documents a bit (imperceptible)...

JAC: Even in the 8-episode documentary that…

GA: …and I don't know how many more…

JAC: …is available on Netflix, these people don't appear, it's true…

GA: And they didn't appear.

JAC: It is true.

GA: And so, just to remind you this, we, from that point at which it was made... this sighting was made, let's say, this testimony...

JAC: That testimony that is related to that night around 10 pm

GA: ...in principle Madeleine (imperceptible), we tried, we tried at a certain time... running away from journalists, to cover that whole area even in terms of houses, from there to the sea. And when we were almost halfway, one of us is discovered, and we had to leave the area. It was a diligence that we never managed to finish, because of… the confusion that arose there…

JAC: The number of journalists that were there, yes...

GA: This was...

JAC: Let me...

GA: ...what happened.

JAC: Very well. Gonçalo Amaral, at the time, one can now understand, and I wanted to ask you this: Christian Brueckner was one of the people who came to be identified as one of the people of interest for the investigation at the time, as far as it was reported there were 6… 600 people or over time it was accumulated 600 people time who could be of interest for the investigation…

GA: A lot of diligences were taken at the time of the (imperceptible)...

JAC: Was Christian Brueckner one of those 600 people or not?

GA: Only rereading the process (imperceptible)...

JAC: You have no memory of that?

GA: I have been told that yes, that there went there knocking on the door, colleagues who are retired like me and who said that the person was not at home. But there were hundreds...

JAC: But, that is, it must have been...

GA: They were in the hundreds, and just (imperceptible)...

JAC: But note one thing Gonçalo Amaral, the, the question that is here... but the question that is here is...

GA: It could have been theft, we also did...

JAC: We know that he served a sentence...

GA: …there was the making of a list of burglars, namely burglary in apartments, and apparently this man was not in the list of apartment burglaries, he will have stolen…

JAC: Fuel...

GA: Yes, fuel.

JAC: Yes, but now what is known about... apparently what is known about this man is truly worrying, about... from various points of view...

GA: It's like I say, an almost perfect suspect...

JAC: But, but... but it is known that he has a long record of sexual crimes...

GA: Hmmm, hmmm.

JAC: …that in contrary to seem to be other such criminals, who do not have a particular fixation on a certain age, there are, there are apparently random behaviours, moreover he is sentenced for the rape of an American tourist…

GA: What I heard...

JAC: …75 years old at, at… the rape happened…

GA: Yes...

JAC: …at Praia da Luz…

GA: Yes, yes...

JAC: You know also... anyway, I would like to... that is, what I would like to understand is if he was investigated and if... why did the interest in him disappear, or if he was never taken seriously, with the information that was there at the time?

GA: You know... the, the information there was about p.a.e.d.o.philes was only that they were p.a.e.d.o.philes and people who were close to the village and as José Alberto said, they are in the hundreds and it is not possible to investigate each one in detail. Going further, I remember that, for example, we reached Albufeira… Albufeira [60Km East of PdL] and Tavira [120 km East of PdL] and so on, and investigations cannot be done that way…

JAC: Gonçalo Amaral, but wait, this rape of this American tourist...

GA:… and note, what if…

JAC: ...was two years before Madeleine's disappearance...

GA: …what if… say again?

JAC: The rape of the 72 year old American tourist, I said 75…

GA: When was it communicated in terms to the PJ?

JAC: When was it?



GA: I don't know (shrugs)...

JAC: No... I don't know...

GA: I didn’t know.

JAC: There was no… no, if… the lady filed a complaint…

GA: We, for example, I can tell you...

JAC: ...the lady made a complaint...

GA: Where?

JAC: (…)

GA: When?



JAC: (…)

GA: Yes, in terms of the PJ, in terms of knowing... and if we are looking for a p.a.e.dophile...

JAC: Because this man...

GA: …or are we looking for a, a, a rapist of adults?

JAC: No, no, no... certainly...

GA: I remind you...

JAC: ...but it happened two, two years earlier and he, he is now being held in a German prison, exactly serving a sentence, for this crime... this is the crime that led him to, now, to prison. And then it was possible...

GA: And he was identified much later...

JAC: He was identified in 2018...

GA: Well ... there it is, so in 2007 he wasn't identified.

JAC: …based on 2 evidences… based on two essential evidences….

GA: In 2007 he was not identified.

JAC: ...but there is hair that was found on the victim's bed...

GA: Yes...

JAC: …victim of the rape that was preserved and that now has allowed to update and make a match, make the…

GA: Yes. But that's another investigation, not the…

JAC: Certainly.

GA: ...Maddie case, it's another investigation ...

JAC: But it turns out that this man, who stayed in the Algarve and in that region for some time, it is how this is expl… this is how, how I try to understand, the photographs that were released by the German police about the houses, the places , vehicles, etc ... and I would also like to hear you about this, about, about these... this exercise from the German police which is to appeal to the memory of someone with some details very... I don't know if they are subtle, no... but, anyway, with some details and, and… do the photographs tell you something, for example, be it of the houses or of the vehicles that the German police revealed?

GA: I think the appeal serves what it serves, because for example the motorhome was removed, it was taken from Portugal to Germany to be examined, so from there...

JAC: A white and yellow VW Westfalia motorhome ...

GA: …and what was important was that, trying to understand why… those images that are passed and that were passed…



JAC: These?

GA: ...have been altered.

JAC: These? These are the images I collected yesterday, from the website of the German police...

GA: I can show you...

JAC: …BKA.



GA: I can show you the… a photograph, which is the photograph of the vehicle that this suspect was using, and would be using in 2007, according to the German police, and which is totally different from what they have shown us…

JAC: Is that the vehicle?




GA: This is the vehicle. And if you notice the photo in there (imperceptible) ...

JAC: But the vehicle is not the same!

GA: It's the same, it is.

JAC: Is it?

GA: If you notice the photo, if you have another photo of the…

JAC: We have.

GA: …rear of vehicle…

JAC: I think so ... I ... I ... have been gathering ... is it this one, this one?



GA: If you notice, you can see that in that image there are two details there, first it was covered the... one can noticed that there is a colour missing, there is a black in the middle and there is a new logo on the right side. Then there's the registration plate...

JAC: I'm going to let the image be enlarged a little…



GA: ...the registration plate, covered, and has the letter "D", the registration number is Portuguese.

JAC: Because the car was...

GA: The car is from 82 and was registered in Portugal in 2004. If you want you can have the photo.

JAC: So, what you're saying is that this...

GA: Regarding the same pho… the same vehicle…

JAC: This photo is from when, do you have an idea?

GA: That photograph? That photograph is from last year.

JAC: This is from last year?

GA: It's from last year, so what matters to know is, the idea that (imperceptible)

JAC: That is, that is ...but last year that van that we were seeing in the images was already in Germany, or not?

GA: It would have gone from Portugal last year for Germany.

JAC: And was this photograph taken in Portugal or in Germany?



GA: In Portugal.

JAC: Hmm.

GA: This is another photograph of the same vehicle.



JAC: Excuse me...

GA: Now what one asks, what one asks, what?

JAC: That is, what are you saying with this?

GA: What am I saying? It's evident.

JAC: Is that the, the van that was shown in…

GA: ... the, the, the photo of the motorhome is completely different.

JAC: No, this motor… it's not the same motorhome.



GA: This is the same motorhome.

JAC: Hmm.

GA: This is the same motorhome, and it was the motorhome that was taken from here to Germany, to be examined where... and was used here as a deposit for figs and carob.

JAC: Hmm, hmm.

GA: And, it appeared... then this image appears without this personalization, so to speak...

JAC: Of these drawings?

GA: Yes, without those drawings. And what one asks is this, would that vehicle go unnoticed in Praia da Luz, in any other location or not? Surely not. And what one further asks is, there are several... what one asks is, did the... the German authorities come to the conclusion that at the time of 2007 the vehicle was not like this but was still painted white and so on? Who told them that?

JAC: Hmm.



GA: Could it be that the German authorities, or the Germans or the English, I don't know who did this, it certainly wasn't in Portugal, because the Portuguese did not disclose the photographs, and in fact they have not disclosed anything in relation to the process, is it that whoever has disclosed that is trying to check information, so to speak? If someone calls, look, I saw the car on this location and... forget it, you didn't see anything because the car was in another way.

JAC: Gonçalo Amaral, let me ask you, it is possible to know more...

GA: So there are several versions here...

JAC: …information about these photographs, where were they taken?

GA: These photographs were taken in the Algarve.

JAC: In the Alg .. right, in a location…

GA: You know that I know a lot of people who, who...

JAC: Yes...

GA: ...know the Algoz [55Km East of PdL] area...

JAC: …you worked in the Algarve for many years…

GA: ...people who are dedicated to picking oranges and other things... so they are photographs.

JAC: Hmmm…

GA: Now, another question, still in relation to... in the end, I don’t want to be dominating, say, the interview... there is something different about this, in this whole situation of... the almost perfect suspect as I call him, the scapegoat however one wants to say… there is a new data here, a data that hasn’t been arrived yet in terms of information, so, there’s a lot… the bomb was dropped, it was said that the suspect is similar to a… he isn’t, the images that are, are with 43 years old, so if you look at my images from 2013, I am completely different, as people change… but the new data, the new data, what is there, is that someone…

JAC: In other words, instead of disclo… this photograph that is being disseminated is current and it should have been one of 13 years ago, is that what you are saying?



GA: Yeah ... that (laughs) would be interesting. And... there's a new data here. The new data is that the German authorities are asking ... they are... it seems that they are trying to reexamine all, all the vestiges, hepatic, biological, hematic and biological...

JAC: Blood.

GA: …that have been found. Where? We wait... Where? Inside the apartment, in the vehicle...

JAC: Rented...

GA: …rented by the couple and also on the street. There are only 3 places where vestiges were found: inside the apartment, on the street, where there is blood, where these vestiges were collected, and inside the couple's vehicle rented I don't know how many days later, I no longer remember. And this is what is the new data. And this is the big question: do the German authorities think they will solve the case, when… I even thought it was a wrong translation when a… a German police officer says that the child may have been shot inside the apartment… What does that mean? That there was blood. And in fact it was... it was the dogs, those dogs... someone said somewhere... a lawyer connected to the couple said that our investigation, that what was in my book, which is basically our investigation in those 4 months, it was not 13 years, nor 13 months, it was 4 months… that our investigation had been a fantasy, a fable… but you know that dogs were used, dogs sent by the English and suggested by the English, because it was them who suggested a death…

JAC: Yes...

GA: A death, worse, we talk of and...

JAC: I remember those images, the dogs identified the scent of blood...

GA: …we have always talked of an accident and the English speak about homicide. It's not us. They are the ones who talk about homicide. We talk about an accident. This is documented. And, such a shooting produces blood. We… in the examination that was carried out at the site, no vestige of a shooting was found, nor does the child who in the man’s arms show signs of having been shot, what she has is that she is sleeping soundly, this is said by the people who passed by there.

JAC: Seemed to be sleeping soundly.

GA: Seemed to be sleeping soundly. And so this is the data, is that the dogs that made these markings and these markings were made by the dogs, the vestiges that were collected with the help of these dogs, from the said fable, are the ones that the German police want to analyse. When saliva is spoken about...

JAC: Gonçalo Amaral, let me just try, let me just try to understand something...

GA: Just, just to finish this question of the vestiges, when it comes to the saliva in Maddie's bed, it is a lie, it was not in Maddie's bed, it is in the bed by the window, and what the saliva is, is a mixture of baby saliva with breast milk... and were identified, the mother and the people who were in that apartment.

JAC: Before the McCanns?

GA: Before the McCanns. And, therefore, we have to wait...

JAC: Gonçalo Amaral, I only have 1 minute left...

GA: ...to understand in what this will give...

JAC: …we only have 1 minute here, I would like, I would really like to prolong this conversation but unfortunately it won't be possible. We are here... what could be the interest of the German police in allowing themselves to be seduced, in your opinion by what you have just explained, in face of a, a ... a lead that leads nowhere in your opinion?

GA: It leads. It leads for the German authorities to have competence to investigate the case.

JAC: And they have?

GA: If they have a German suspect, there are those who say yes, there are those who say no, the case is here...

JAC: Can this be good or bad for the discovery of the material truth?

GA: I think that the police ... the Portuguese authorities and the Portuguese police can do here, our laboratories, what the Germans want to do there. There was no need to let it go to Germany again...

JAC: It already was.

GA: It was, it was last year, again something to be examined, it could have been examined here. It had already happened, that is said (imperceptible) error...

JAC: Let me repeat this question because it seems that your answer may be interesting, the fact that it is the German police who are conducting the investigation now, based on this, on this pretext, which is what I understand from your words...

GA: The German police conduct the investigation there in Germany...

JAC: But can that be a good thing?

GA: …because here, the PJ is the one conducting the investigation.

JAC: The question is, can this be good and, and relevant, or not for finding evidence that can explain what happened that day? In more (imperceptible)...

GA: Nowadays there are new techniques for, for analysing and, and... for... and even re-analyse what has been examined. If there is enough remnant, it is possible to reach other conclusions. I remind that in the vehicle rented by the couple there are hairs that were returned that is said that by the colouring it’s from the missing girl's, but as they have no root, they are unable to dee… to determine the DNA. It is known that there are laboratories that can do this...

JAC: Now...

GA: …so Germans who have money can easily solve this mystery.

JAC: Gonçalo Amaral, I had many more questions to ask you...

GA: And I had a lot more to say.

JAC: I appreciate your availability, surely this will be in the next hours in the international media, right? In Germany, in England, which van is this after all...

GA: The one they presented.

JAC: Yes, right, right, right, we have no… no, there is no photograph from the German authorities with… an indication of the license plate, which could be… help to understand better…

GA: That may have been a technique. It's the same one.

JAC: Yes, but are you sure it's the same one?

GA: Oh, it's the same one!

JAC: This is the same one that was shown, but it is not the same because it was like that and now it is in another way. Gonçalo Amaral, thank you very much, for, for… for the contribution you ended up giving here. In the face of this case that continues to impassion and divide the opinions of many people until it is finally closed, if ever that will be possible. Do you believe it will be possible?

GA: There is a colleague of mine with whom I had lunch recently who says yes, and I believe him, that… that a lot is still going to happen. So let's wait...

JAC: Thank you very much, we will really have to stop here...

GA: It may take another 13 years and then I don't know if I'm here anymore...

JAC: Anyway, yes, it would be very, very prolonged. Thank you very much Gonçalo Amaral once again.

*****

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José Alberto Carvalho: Let me ask you this question Gonçalo Amaral, could Christian Brueckner be the author of… whatever happened to Madeleine McCann or not?

Gonçalo Amaral: To answer that question, it needs first to be demonstrated that there was an abduction. And what I can demonstrate is that all those people who were there lied, there was never any scheme to… monitor the children who were at home, sleeping in the apartments…
Idiocy personified.

Madeleine was discovered missing by Kate, who was, let's see! Checking on the children.

Does anyone dispute that?

Tends to far more than hint at a 'scheme' to check on the children.

As do the testimonies of several waiters who commented on frequent absences of the party during the week, with meals having to be re-heated, because (you guessed it) the parents were leaving the table to check on the children.

But then this (Amaral) is a man who thinks Mark Harrison re-directed the enquiry to look for a child hidden close to apartment 5a, when Mark Harrison actually, tentatively, concluded that if Madeleine is dead, he thought it most likely her remains were thrown into the sea.

This is a man who, at least wrote, that Eddie had 'no hesitation' in reacting to the Renault Scenic, when the dog was, in fact, repeatedly returned to the car until he did react, accurately, to DNA from Gerry on the ignition key.

He is permanently backed into a corner....there’s no way that he will ever backtrack.
Madeleine McCann- Abducted May 2007 from Praia Da Luz, Algarve, Portugal.
DCI Redwood of Scotland Yard - stated that Madeleine could still be found - alive.
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Re: German prisoner identified as suspect

Post by catkins » Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:03 am

Chinagirl wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:01 am
I don't recall that the German investigators have suggested anywhere that Madeleine was "shot."

To my mind, the above interview transcript demonstrates most clearly the appalling incompetence of Amaral as a detective. :s_mad
Same here CG.
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Re: German prisoner identified as suspect

Post by Pedro » Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:40 am

amaral should keep his mouth shut, everytime he talks, he shows what he is, he had only one purpose, to gain fame and fortune with his lies.

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Re: German prisoner identified as suspect

Post by sal » Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:05 pm

c d m

Former Judiciary Police Inspector Gonçalo Amaral, responsible for the investigation in the Maddie case, demanded seriousness from the German and English police about the disappearance of the girl from Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007.

In an interview with Jornal do Centro , Gonçalo Amaral called for a more serious investigation, stressing that there is "alleged evidence and clues to come".


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"There is a lot of talk and images of a suspect are shown and so on, but we come back to the question of the investigation being serious. I can't even ask someone to recognize the person through an image of them after a few years," he said. the ex-inspector during the interview.

Another issue raised by the ex-PJ is one that he considers should be a priority for the authorities: that of investigating and understanding this suspect's Modus Operandi . "How did he get into that apartment?" He asks, drawing a parallel between the Maddie case and the violation of an American tourist on Praia da Luz in 2005, a crime for which Christian Brueckner was convicted.

Gonçalo Amaral devalues ​​the new evidence that links Christian Brueckner to the investigation of the disappearance of the English girl and reinforces that this suspect pleases the English investigators. As from the first moment that Kate and Gerry McCann believe that their daughter was taken by a pedophile. "A pedophile has to be found", considers the ex-inspector of the Portimão PJ, who calls the German Christian Brueckner as an "almost perfect" suspect.

The former-PJ currently defends "the reconstruction of Maddie's disappearance". "PJ did an excellent job at the time and continues to commit to the best it has at the professional level", he recalled.
:rolleyes:


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Re: German prisoner identified as suspect

Post by Carana » Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:07 pm

honestbroker1 wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:58 pm
jjbd wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:50 pm
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/11 ... ed-german/

May not be charged!!
Unreal.

This chap should keep his mouth shut until there is something positive to report.

On refection, perhaps substantial is a better choice of word than positive.
I didn't take it like that. I found it to be a reminder that they are still counting on witnesses coming forward. If no substantial leads do, leading to more evidence, then there's no case to present.
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Re: German prisoner identified as suspect

Post by honestbroker1 » Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:18 pm

Carana wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:07 pm
honestbroker1 wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:58 pm
jjbd wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:50 pm
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/11 ... ed-german/

May not be charged!!
Unreal.

This chap should keep his mouth shut until there is something positive to report.

On refection, perhaps substantial is a better choice of word than positive.
I didn't take it like that. I found it to be a reminder that they are still counting on witnesses coming forward. If no substantial leads do, leading to more evidence, then there's no case to present.
There might well be sound operational reasons why the investigation could draw a blank.

But surely the prosecutors (should!) be circumspect about what information they put into the public domain?

If it turns out that the investigation has drawn a blank, wait until it has before declaring that publicly.

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Re: German prisoner identified as suspect

Post by Carana » Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:23 pm

catkins wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:03 am

He is permanently backed into a corner....there’s no way that he will ever backtrack.

Of course he can't.

He and his pals have already made a fortune out of botched cases of two missing little girls. And possibly still are, if he's paid for his recent media interviews.

I just wish he'd STFU and let the investigation run its course.
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Re: German prisoner identified as suspect

Post by Carana » Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:24 pm

honestbroker1 wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:18 pm
Carana wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:07 pm
honestbroker1 wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:58 pm
jjbd wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:50 pm
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/11 ... ed-german/

May not be charged!!
Unreal.

This chap should keep his mouth shut until there is something positive to report.

On refection, perhaps substantial is a better choice of word than positive.
I didn't take it like that. I found it to be a reminder that they are still counting on witnesses coming forward. If no substantial leads do, leading to more evidence, then there's no case to present.
There might well be sound operational reasons why the investigation could draw a blank.

But surely the prosecutors (should!) be circumspect about what information they put into the public domain?

If it turns out that the investigation has drawn a blank, wait until it has before declaring that publicly.
The German police didn't release his name, it was the local German press that made the connection.
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Re: German prisoner identified as suspect

Post by Alibongo » Fri Jun 26, 2020 1:42 pm

sal wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:05 pm
c d m

Former Judiciary Police Inspector Gonçalo Amaral, responsible for the investigation in the Maddie case, demanded seriousness from the German and English police about the disappearance of the girl from Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007.

In an interview with Jornal do Centro , Gonçalo Amaral called for a more serious investigation, stressing that there is "alleged evidence and clues to come".


PUB
"There is a lot of talk and images of a suspect are shown and so on, but we come back to the question of the investigation being serious. I can't even ask someone to recognize the person through an image of them after a few years," he said. the ex-inspector during the interview.

Another issue raised by the ex-PJ is one that he considers should be a priority for the authorities: that of investigating and understanding this suspect's Modus Operandi . "How did he get into that apartment?" He asks, drawing a parallel between the Maddie case and the violation of an American tourist on Praia da Luz in 2005, a crime for which Christian Brueckner was convicted.

Gonçalo Amaral devalues ​​the new evidence that links Christian Brueckner to the investigation of the disappearance of the English girl and reinforces that this suspect pleases the English investigators. As from the first moment that Kate and Gerry McCann believe that their daughter was taken by a pedophile. "A pedophile has to be found", considers the ex-inspector of the Portimão PJ, who calls the German Christian Brueckner as an "almost perfect" suspect.

The former-PJ currently defends "the reconstruction of Maddie's disappearance". "PJ did an excellent job at the time and continues to commit to the best it has at the professional level", he recalled.
:rolleyes:


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OMG is he casting doubts on the rape victims?
I'm pretty sure you wouldn't forget something so traumatic!!
Amaral really is a disgrace!!
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Re: German prisoner identified as suspect

Post by Pedro » Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:01 pm

about, The former-PJ currently defends "the reconstruction of Maddie's disappearance". "PJ did an excellent job at the time, well, hardly due to you amaral being a coordinator at the time, who arrived later at the crime scene, because you were dining, then took the path to your home, instead of showing your ugly face in Praia da Luz, when you showed your face was in the next day, then the crime scene was not preserved, which should have been, then you started with your despicable behaviour which is not what someone should call investigation, but instead o piece of Sh!t which you coordinated.

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