German prisoner identified as suspect

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Post by sal » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:11 pm

Old expresso article re the investigation.
Find out what Henrique Monteiro and Miguel Sousa Tavares wrote about the already foreseeable closure of the Maddie case. Participate, also leaving your opinion.
Henrique Monteiro

I wrote it, said it on television and I maintain that if it were proved that the couple was guilty, I would completely lose confidence in the human condition.

Well, fortunately, I didn't lose that confidence, but unfortunately I started to suspect much more of our research methods.

What I am able to understand is that our police do not investigate: they make conjectures. The scorn with which a former policeman said something like 'crime has not been proven, but kidnapping has not been proven', shows how certain people in the PJ feel more magistrates, even judges, than investigators. And, in order not to think that there is corporatism, the same I say - without any hesitation - of certain journalists, for whom the truth is what a police source tells him, even if common sense contradicts the logic of this alleged truth.

Our investigative police had the world's eyes on it. What you did was disastrous. He turned Maddie's parents into an accused - with the arrogance of those who know that an accused is an elusive term - and, at the same time, he surreptitiously sent to public opinion signs of a conjecture that were given as if it were proven: that the girl had died and that the parents had hidden the corpse.

Few newspapers (I am proud that the Expresso was one of them) escaped this logic. And, after these 14 months, the same people who fed a myth, accused without proof a couple to whom their daughter had disappeared and gave our country a third world image, does not apologize.

On the contrary, it apologizes.

Apologize with hidden powers in the process, with the English Government, with whatever else comes. They are petty, small people, without any greatness.

Some newspapers go so far as to seem to hope that the couple will be accused of "exposure to abandonment", as if those who blow this hypothesis did not know that the deceit, that is, the couple's intention to abandon their daughter, can never be proved. , an indispensable requirement for such an accusation.

Anyway, a total disaster, the 'Maddie case', although everyone knows the risks of this investigation. Worse, no one will be held responsible for this enormity.

Miguel Sousa Tavares

When the Maddie case started, I wrote that it was going to be the biggest and most decisive test of the capacity of the Judiciary Police. This was not, in fact, a difficult opinion to subscribe to: from the beginning, right from the first day, it was realized that the case would reach far beyond what we were used to and media coverage that would quickly cross borders. The PJ was required to be able to show competence and savoir-faire in the way it was going to manage the investigation.

Well then. Apparently, next Monday, the Attorney General of the Republic will announce that the case will be closed, without any conclusion and following the PJ report in which the Police recognizes that it is at the same point it was on the first day, more than a year ago: unable to come up with any consistent version for Maddie's disappearance. Even accepting that, as Pinto Monteiro says, there have always been and will be unresolved cases in the field of criminal investigation, an investigation of a crime that ends up filed for lack of clues is and will always be a defeat for the Police. But in this case, the defeat is much greater, because it is proportional to the investment made - in men, means, money, time and the collaboration of all - that there is no memory between us.

The PJ, take the laps that take place, failed, therefore, the first of the objectives, which was to demonstrate its technical competence, unveiling the case. I admit it wouldn't be easy, but it failed and started failing right from the beginning, when it didn't try to isolate the crime scene, ensuring the preservation of all possible signs. From the first days, I was under the impression that the PJ had no strategy planned, before or during, to deal with a similar case: it accepted random searches according to GNR or popular popularism, it took forever to investigate possible escapes of the kidnappers abroad by sea or by land, he accepted the first volunteer interpreter who presented himself (Robert Murat, later turned into an accused), and only much later and with the collaboration of the English Scientific Police, is that he started to worry about some work in the old and effective Sherlock Holmes style. But it was too late.

The worst, however, came later. Without being able to find Maddie or her body, without any clue about possible abductors and some data about the abduction, the PJ decided to invest everything in its own thesis and without any support that would allow it: that it was the parents themselves who were involved in the disappearance. Maddie's. The same policemen who had investigated the disappearance of Joana, also in the Algarve, and who had concluded that it was her own mother, Leonor Cipriano, who had killed her daughter and hid the body, advanced to the Maddie case with the ease of whoever she thought that history had repeated itself. This should have immediately alerted the national leadership of the PJ, not least because it could not ignore that Joana's body was never found or irrefutable evidence that her mother had killed her - except for her own 'confession', pulled out of the premises of the PJ in Faro, late at night, with no lawyer or magistrate present and in circumstances such that the interrogators who snatched his confession from him are now on trial for the crime of aggression. Not being able, for reasons in sight, to support the thesis that the McCanns sold their daughter or organized her abduction; not daring to suggest that they would have simply killed her, they then suggested a softer hypothesis: they would have assaulted their daughter, both or just one of them, causing her to involuntarily die. Then, faced with the drama, they would have, by mutual agreement, made Maddie's corpse disappear and declared her missing and abducted by strangers. no lawyer or magistrate present and in circumstances such that the interrogators who took away his confession are now on trial for the crime of aggression. Not being able, for reasons in sight, to support the thesis that the McCanns sold their daughter or organized her abduction; not daring to suggest that they would have simply killed her, they then suggested a softer hypothesis: they would have assaulted their daughter, both or just one of them, causing her to involuntarily die. Then, faced with the drama, they would have, by mutual agreement, made Maddie's corpse disappear and declared her missing and abducted by strangers. no lawyer or magistrate present and in circumstances such that the interrogators who took away his confession are now on trial for the crime of aggression. Not being able, for reasons in sight, to support the thesis that the McCanns sold their daughter or organized her abduction; not daring to suggest that they would have simply killed her, they then suggested a softer hypothesis: they would have assaulted their daughter, both or just one of them, causing her to involuntarily die. Then, faced with the drama, they would have, by mutual agreement, made Maddie's corpse disappear and declared her missing and abducted by strangers. murdered, then suggested a milder hypothesis: they would have assaulted their daughter, both or just one of them, causing her to involuntary death. Then, faced with the drama, they would have, by mutual agreement, made Maddie's corpse disappear and declared her missing and abducted by strangers. murdered, then suggested a milder hypothesis: they would have assaulted their daughter, both or just one of them, causing her involuntary death. Then, faced with the drama, they would have, by mutual agreement, made Maddie's corpse disappear and declared her missing and abducted by strangers.

The thesis was, in itself, truly improbable. A couple of foreigners who had never come to Portugal, to spend holidays in a small village with intense movement of people and tourists, would have, during a dinner with seven friends in a restaurant in plain sight, arranged a way to go to the room where their daughter slept with the brothers, remove his body, disappear and resume dinner, as if nothing was going on. All this done over a period of half an hour to an hour, without anyone noticing and with such success that they, who did not even know the terrain or its surroundings, managed to evade the searches of hundreds of people and GNR, made days in a radius of fifty kilometers. It was necessary to believe in this absurdity, however, the researchers believed it and the national leadership of the PJ, apparently, also.

And that followed what the PJ specializes in, whenever it fails to unravel a media case: start to blow information and opinions to the press, suggesting that it knows very well what happened, but that strong obstacles (in this case, diplomatic ones) ), still prevent it from being able to say it. PJ's hand men in the press - journalists, ex-policemen and other 'experts' - then began to fuel the dirty campaign against the McCanns: that it was very strange that she didn't cry, that the couple had wanton sexual habits, that friends were all suspicious, that she would have complained that Maddie was a difficult child, etc. and such. Once the ground was prepared, the final blow was reached: the constitution of the McCann as defendants - which, for the majority of public opinion, nationally and internationally,

Then, as is also the habit of the house, evidence began to be sought to support the thesis - the reverse way of any serious investigation. The McCanns and friends were questioned for hours on end, in the hope that one of them would 'fall apart' with what the investigators wanted to hear. As the Times wrote, with great astonishment, the Portuguese police continue to cling to methods of investigation that essentially consist of self-incrimination of those whom they consider to be suspects: either through wiretapping or confession, spontaneous or not so much, by themselves. As an 'expert' at RTP explained, when the suspects are not available to continue to be interrogated "ad nauseam", the Police are left without 'investigative means'. And so, when the McCanns left home, fed up with being there always at hand and seeing the police solely concerned with being able to frame them as murderers of their own daughter, instead of looking for their kidnappers, the PJ did not know what to do. The old, lazy methods had not worked and there were no others she knew of. More than a year later, the infamous suspicion will be raised about a couple who were unlucky enough to lose their daughter in Portugal and about an Englishman who was unlucky enough to be a neighbor to the village and to have raised suspicions for a journalist. File yourself. the infamous suspicion will be raised about a couple who were unlucky enough to lose their daughter in Portugal and about an Englishman who was unlucky enough to be a neighbor to the village and to have raised suspicions for a journalist. File yourself. the infamous suspicion will be raised about a couple who were unlucky enough to lose their daughter in Portugal and about an Englishman who was unlucky enough to be a neighbor to the village and to have raised suspicions for a journalist. File yourself.

No, don't file. There must be responsible and they cannot hide behind books designed to further slander and violence against innocents. And there must be responsible among journalists and editors who have lent themselves lightly to adhere to and propagandize a thesis that the police sold them and that served them to sell more newspapers. No, don't file. Enough of filings.

It will be entirely legal, that is not discussed. But it is an incredible disregard for individual rights. The PJ report on the Maddie case leaves no doubt - Robert Murat was made an defendant, and has remained so for 13 months, for ... nothing. Absolutely nothing!

An English journalist found Murat suspicious and the Judiciary Police investigated him. He searched his house, his garden, searched his computer, his life, his friends. He found nothing. But he also said nothing, in the name of the sacrosanct 'secret of justice'.

After all, what justice is it that allows a man to be in the mouths of the world, suspicious, looked at from the side, losing opportunities and business, without the slightest indication against him, as the PJ himself reveals? Without it being related, even if minimally, to the missing child?

And what justice is it that lets it run - in the newspapers, on TV, everywhere - that parents could be guilty of the child's death without having the slightest indication against them?

The Maddie case is a shame for the Portuguese Justice. It is necessary that the possible lessons be drawn from it and to the fullest extent. On the police's mode of action; about the lightness with which they are accused; about the secret of justice.

So that the iniquity of a secret does not override the necessary Justice.

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Post by honestbroker1 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:35 pm

Heck of a lot to pull out from that article:
and, at the same time, he [Amaral] surreptitiously sent to public opinion signs of a conjecture that were given as if it were proven: that the girl had died and that the parents had hidden the corpse.
What, first, springs to mind is Gerry not Madeleine's father, immediately after the blameless Portuguese forensic lab had told Amaral they had not secured Madeleine's DNA, for the excellent reason they had been given nothing from Madeleine to test.

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Post by sal » Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:35 pm

Article translated by Joana Morais.

"Enough with the lies": Gonçalo Amaral calls into question the statement of a McCann friend and believes that the solution to the Maddie case "may be in there"

Former inspector points out flaws in the German police investigation and defends Judiciary Police

The former inspector of the Judiciary Police (PJ), Gonçalo Amaral, said this Saturday during an interview with CMTV, that "nothing has been proven" so far in the case of the disappearance of Maddie from Praia da Luz, in May 2007, and believes that "Portugal is in a position to crack the Maddie case".

Gonçalo Amaral recalled that an investigation is confined to facts and, based on them, conclusions are advanced or not. According to the former PJ, in the September 2007 interim report on the case of the disappearance of the English child, the hypothesis was that a corpse was concealed. However, Gonçalo Amaral reminds that there was no accusation, in an allusion to the most recent investigations by the German and English police.

At a time when the German police have new leads on the case, Gonçalo Amaral said that, so far, "nothing has been proven".


German investigation and reconstruction of the image of the German suspect



In an analysis of the already published picture of the German suspect Christian Brueckner, the former inspector has no doubts: "it cannot be [him]". Gonçalo Amaral explained that in question is the fact that the German had short hair at the time of Maddie's disappearance however the testimonies spoke of a long hair. "Do they want people to be identified? So let's be serious", said the inspector, who criticizes the release of a current photograph of the suspect instead of a picture [of how he looked].

Amaral is convinced that the German prosecutor did not read the process concerning the English girl's case. "When the German prosecutor says the man came in through the window, forget it, he didn't read the files", he said.

The former PJ stressed that German police officers "are not incompetent, they are rigorous", but questions whether the new German suspect is a tactic for the authorities to resolve the case in a "competent" way.

As for the English authorities, Amaral believes that they too "are looking for p.a.e.d.o.philes who fit in the abduction theory, without however proving that there has been an abduction".

The cadaver dogs, brought by the British authorities, detected blood in the house, but that evidence was eventually depreciated. "The English laboratory wrecked the results", said Gonçalo Amaral, who reproaches the laboratory technician of expressing opinions about the results.

The former inspector appealed to investigators on the case to read the process from start to finish or otherwise face an investigation failure. "There are things that are lacking in the process", he recalled, appealing for the continuation of the investigation.

Amaral stressed again that, currently, Christian Brueckner "is an almost perfect suspect, [to be one] he just needs to be dead".


Maddie's medical history could be essential for investigation



Gonçalo Amaral recalled that Madeleine McCann's medical history was not made available to the authorities, a document that could be essential for the investigation.

"We have to understand who the victim is. The Portuguese know everything about the girl. But there is at least one thing they don't know: the medical history. Neither the parents gave it, nor did the British authorities allowed us to access it", said the former PJ, who recalled the distinctive blemish the English girl had on her eye, an image widely used in publicizing the case.

The above mentioned document could, according to the former PJ, help to understand if the child could have heart problems due to the effects of the medication that was administered to her.

On the night of Maddie's disappearance, Kate had inclusively checked several times whether the twin brother and sister were breathing. "Why does a mother, a doctor, spend the night checking if her children can breathe? Surely there was a risk", points out Amaral, who accuses the mother of not disclosing all the details in the immediate moment following the beginning of the investigation.

"It's all a sham", concludes Gonçalo Amaral, recalling the family and friends statements about the alleged surveillance scheme of the children, while they dined at the Ocean Club restaurant.


"Parents should have been considered as suspects": Former inspector defends the reconstitution

The former inspector "has no doubt" that the presence of the [tracking] dogs, at the request of Kate and Gerry McCann, worked to contaminate the evidence inside the apartment. "You can't be altering evidence", he recollected.

Gonçalo Amaral once again defended the reconstruction of the case and reinforced the need for the McCann couple and friends to return to Portugal in order to detail the day of the girl's disappearance. "The parents should have been considered as suspects and treated as such", he added.

According to the former inspector, the Portuguese authorities did not, for example, have access to photographs of the dinner on the day of the disappearance.


Importance of cell phones and witnesses in the investigation

On the matter of the cell phones and the association of the cell phone numbers during the investigation at the time of the disappearance, Gonçalo Amaral has doubts about the origin of those numbers recently associated with the German suspect Christian Brueckner: "Is anyone sure that this phone belongs to this man?” he questioned, underlining that "small details like this, is what makes the evidence".

The former PJ believes that if the German police knew that the phone number belonged to Brueckner, "they wouldn't need to seek for more information."

Among the witnesses in the process are several friends of the McCann couple who were on holidays [with them] in Praia da Luz at the time of the disappearance.

"Enough with the lies", said Amaral, referring to the statement of the couple’s friend, Jane Tanner, who alleged that she saw a man carrying a child on the night of the child's disappearance. The inspector said that Tanner lied in her statement about the time, place and direction in which she saw the man and that she should, at the present time, make a "sworn statement". "The solution may be in that", alerted the former inspector.

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According to the former inspector, the Portuguese authorities did not, for example, have access to photographs of the dinner on the day of the disappearance.
What?

If they ate fish fingers, they were guilty.

If they ate macaroni cheese they were innocent.

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That is the very link I was about to post, Sal.

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Post by Pedro » Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:58 pm

the press with their speculation, I do not believe in a word either comes from the press or from the German prosecutor.
that German do not have nothing to prove what he says or thinks, that is a complete bullshit.

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honestbroker1 wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:21 pm
According to the former inspector, the Portuguese authorities did not, for example, have access to photographs of the dinner on the day of the disappearance.
What?

If they ate fish fingers, they were guilty.

If they ate macaroni cheese they were innocent.

All he had to do was check with the waiter and see the orders.
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"The greater the difficulty, the more glory in surmounting it. Skillful pilots gain their reputation from storms and tempests."

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If they have a photo of Gerry at the dinner table at the time of the Smith sighting they should say so.

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jjbd wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:48 am
If they have a photo of Gerry at the dinner table at the time of the Smith sighting they should say so.
A photo would be the icing on the cake.

But absence of reference to Gerry's absence, combined with zilch commentary in the files on efforts to find Gerry to tell him what had happened, including where he was when found and who found him, suffices.

The Smith's didn't see Gerry.

And they wouldn't have bothered producing efits of a man they thought was Gerry, for obvious reasons.

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honestbroker1 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:52 am
jjbd wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:48 am
If they have a photo of Gerry at the dinner table at the time of the Smith sighting they should say so.
A photo would be the icing on the cake.

But absence of reference to Gerry's absence, combined with zilch commentary in the files on efforts to find Gerry to tell him what had happened, including where he was when found and who found him, suffices.

The Smith's didn't see Gerry.

And they wouldn't have bothered producing efits of a man they thought was Gerry, for obvious reasons.
As far as I am aware amaral and the PJ have never wavered from their statement that Gerry was at Tapas bar at the time of the Smith sighting. Now amaral has said they have photos of the dinner (by which he surely means people at the dining table).

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jjbd wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:12 pm
honestbroker1 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:52 am
jjbd wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:48 am
If they have a photo of Gerry at the dinner table at the time of the Smith sighting they should say so.
A photo would be the icing on the cake.

But absence of reference to Gerry's absence, combined with zilch commentary in the files on efforts to find Gerry to tell him what had happened, including where he was when found and who found him, suffices.

The Smith's didn't see Gerry.

And they wouldn't have bothered producing efits of a man they thought was Gerry, for obvious reasons.
As far as I am aware amaral and the PJ have never wavered from their statement that Gerry was at Tapas bar at the time of the Smith sighting. Now amaral has said they have photos of the dinner (by which he surely means people at the dining table).
Inspector Carlos is very clear in his final report for the PJ that Gerry was at the Tapas table at the time of the Smith sighting and Kate's alert.

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jjbd wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:12 pm
honestbroker1 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:52 am
jjbd wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:48 am
If they have a photo of Gerry at the dinner table at the time of the Smith sighting they should say so.
A photo would be the icing on the cake.

But absence of reference to Gerry's absence, combined with zilch commentary in the files on efforts to find Gerry to tell him what had happened, including where he was when found and who found him, suffices.

The Smith's didn't see Gerry.

And they wouldn't have bothered producing efits of a man they thought was Gerry, for obvious reasons.
As far as I am aware amaral and the PJ have never wavered from their statement that Gerry was at Tapas bar at the time of the Smith sighting. Now amaral has said they have photos of the dinner (by which he surely means people at the dining table).
Amaral interview re Gerry and the beach

Question: According to you, what happened on 3rd May 2007?

Answer: Madeleine McCann died in an accidental manner, upon falling behind the sofa in the apartment. This sofa had been moved when the disappearance was announced. I think that someone found the body, hid it, cleaned everything and moved the sofa against the window.

Q: Who?

A: Madeleine’s parents

Q: Upon what basis do you make this statement?

A: The dogs provided by the British police discovered cadaver odour behind the sofa and in the parents’ room. Also on the little girl’s cuddly toy, on Kate’s clothing and in the cupboard and on the keys of the car that they hired later.

Q: How did they hide the body without anyone seeing them?

A: They were seen! An Irish family saw a man pass carrying a child at 22.05, heading for the beach. They later identified the child as Maddie. But they did not realise that the man they had seen was Gerry until they saw the McCanns arriving in the UK on TV.

Q: What happened?

A: The manner in which Gerry was carrying one of the twins and his way of walking were identical to what they had seen that night.

Q: But, 22.05 was when Kate said that the girl had disappeared and Gerry was with her...

A:The times are not clear. The only thing that is sure is that the McCanns contacted the National Guard at 22.40. So, before then, Gerry had time to hide the girl’s body on the beach.

Q: And nobody saw the body there? During the night they were already searching for the girl.

A: Yes, but they were looking for a living child, not a dead child. Furthermore, I am not saying that the body remained on the beach all of the time. It is clear that the first thing was to remove the body from the apartment. Afterwards they could find other solutions to hide it. Witnesses from the National Guard said that they had seen the McCanns go towards the beach twice very early in the morning. They surely found a better place quickly.

Q: How do you explain that the dogs found cadaver odour in the McCanns’ car? They rented it 24 days after the disappearance.

A: I was investigating that when I was removed from the case.

Q: Do you think that they preserved the body in a freezer for all of this time? Where?

A: There is a journalist who claims to have seen the McCanns enter an apartment block near to the beach, during the month of June.... But we do not know what floor of the block they went to. It is a building for tourists and many people go in and out.

Final report
Further on this issue, the testimony of MARTIN SMITH was considered, pages 1606 and following, reporting the sighting of an individual carrying a child, in one of the streets that lead to the beach. It was said that the child could be MADELEINE McCANN, although it was never peremptorily stated. Some time later, the witness alleged that, by its stance, the individual who carried the child could be GERALD McCANN, which was concluded when he saw him descending the stairs from an airplane, pages 2871, 3991 and following and 4135 and following. It was established that at the time that was being mentioned, GERALD McCANN was sitting at the table, in the Tapas Restaurant.

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sal wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:47 pm
jjbd wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:12 pm
honestbroker1 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:52 am
jjbd wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:48 am
If they have a photo of Gerry at the dinner table at the time of the Smith sighting they should say so.
A photo would be the icing on the cake.

But absence of reference to Gerry's absence, combined with zilch commentary in the files on efforts to find Gerry to tell him what had happened, including where he was when found and who found him, suffices.

The Smith's didn't see Gerry.

And they wouldn't have bothered producing efits of a man they thought was Gerry, for obvious reasons.
As far as I am aware amaral and the PJ have never wavered from their statement that Gerry was at Tapas bar at the time of the Smith sighting. Now amaral has said they have photos of the dinner (by which he surely means people at the dining table).
Amaral interview re Gerry and the beach

Question: According to you, what happened on 3rd May 2007?

Answer: Madeleine McCann died in an accidental manner, upon falling behind the sofa in the apartment. This sofa had been moved when the disappearance was announced. I think that someone found the body, hid it, cleaned everything and moved the sofa against the window.

Q: Who?

A: Madeleine’s parents

Q: Upon what basis do you make this statement?

A: The dogs provided by the British police discovered cadaver odour behind the sofa and in the parents’ room. Also on the little girl’s cuddly toy, on Kate’s clothing and in the cupboard and on the keys of the car that they hired later.

Q: How did they hide the body without anyone seeing them?

A: They were seen! An Irish family saw a man pass carrying a child at 22.05, heading for the beach. They later identified the child as Maddie. But they did not realise that the man they had seen was Gerry until they saw the McCanns arriving in the UK on TV.

Q: What happened?

A: The manner in which Gerry was carrying one of the twins and his way of walking were identical to what they had seen that night.

Q: But, 22.05 was when Kate said that the girl had disappeared and Gerry was with her...

A:The times are not clear. The only thing that is sure is that the McCanns contacted the National Guard at 22.40. So, before then, Gerry had time to hide the girl’s body on the beach.

Q: And nobody saw the body there? During the night they were already searching for the girl.

A: Yes, but they were looking for a living child, not a dead child. Furthermore, I am not saying that the body remained on the beach all of the time. It is clear that the first thing was to remove the body from the apartment. Afterwards they could find other solutions to hide it. Witnesses from the National Guard said that they had seen the McCanns go towards the beach twice very early in the morning. They surely found a better place quickly.

Q: How do you explain that the dogs found cadaver odour in the McCanns’ car? They rented it 24 days after the disappearance.

A: I was investigating that when I was removed from the case.

Q: Do you think that they preserved the body in a freezer for all of this time? Where?

A: There is a journalist who claims to have seen the McCanns enter an apartment block near to the beach, during the month of June.... But we do not know what floor of the block they went to. It is a building for tourists and many people go in and out.

Final report
Further on this issue, the testimony of MARTIN SMITH was considered, pages 1606 and following, reporting the sighting of an individual carrying a child, in one of the streets that lead to the beach. It was said that the child could be MADELEINE McCANN, although it was never peremptorily stated. Some time later, the witness alleged that, by its stance, the individual who carried the child could be GERALD McCANN, which was concluded when he saw him descending the stairs from an airplane, pages 2871, 3991 and following and 4135 and following. It was established that at the time that was being mentioned, GERALD McCANN was sitting at the table, in the Tapas Restaurant.
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Kate and Gerry McCann say they have not been officially told there is evidence their daughter is dead.
This is at least part of what I don't understand.

Why is all this stuff made public when Kate and Gerry have not, themselves, been told?

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Thanks sal :s_thumbsup

Official documents show Carlos Farinha, then Director of the Judicial Police’s Forensic Science Laboratory, wrote in a letter dated November 28, 2009: “We have learned by telephone that the examination is no longer necessary.

Why was it no longer necessary? So strange, they hadn't arrested anyone. I wonder if they are going to investigate further into that find out who decided the examination wasn't necessary. Poor McCann's if he had been arrested Madeleine would still be here :s_cry
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Amaral - A: Yes, but they were looking for a living child, not a dead child. Furthermore, I am not saying that the body remained on the beach all of the time. It is clear that the first thing was to remove the body from the apartment. Afterwards they could find other solutions to hide it. Witnesses from the National Guard said that they had seen the McCanns go towards the beach twice very early in the morning. They surely found a better place quickly.

Looking for a living child? Is that why they were looking in bins? What an idiot, when did they remove the body from the apartment? I thought the Police with dogs were on the beach that night? This man really is an absolute disgrace saying these things.
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I think there's no doubt Ruth MacLean acted in good faith. It's still a dreadful blow ...

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TV show on ZDF

Maddie McCann's case today on file number XY: riddle to call suspect Christian B.
01/07/2020 15:01

Maddie case: Rudi Cerne in conversation with an investigator from the BKA.
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Maddie case: Rudi Cerne in conversation with an investigator from the BKA. © dpa / ZDF
The Maddie McCann case is the subject of the ZDF program "Aktenzeichen XY" tonight. It is about a call that the suspect Christan B. received on the evening of the kidnapping.

The Madeleine "Maddie" McCann case has picked up speed.
The TV program "Aktenzeichen XY ... unresolved" deals with the investigation on ZDF on Wednesday (01.07.2020) .
BKA investigator Christian Hoppe talks about a call to suspect Christian B.

Mainz - The Maddie McCann case is on Wednesday (01.07.2020) at 8.15 p.m. again the subject of the TV program "File number XY ... unresolved" on ZDF . A live broadcast with Christian Hoppe from the Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA) deals with the question of who owns the number of a Portuguese prepaid card with which the suspect Christian B. had contact in May 2007. In an interview with "focus.de" , ZDF presenter Rudi Cerne said: "I (...) am very excited about what the BKA will report and ask on Wednesday." The show a month ago had a tremendous echo. Almost 1000 cluesthe BKA investigators had received from the population. "I have the impression that something important is happening now," said Cerne.

Maddie McCann case: ZDF program "File number XY ... unresolved" important for investigators

https://www.wa.de/deutschland-welt/madd ... 06407.html

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the German prosecutor is obsessed with Christian B, and is using the McCann case to feed his obsession, and then is insisting in something which he have no evidence about his unproven claims or theories, with the purpose of feed his thirst for protagonism, without the slightest concern or respect for the parents or family of the child.

a despicable behaviour from that German prosecutor.

he should be ashamed of himself.

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Maddie case: BKA official with urgent appeal
8:26 pm: "Can there be an indictment?", Rudi Cerne wants to know in conclusion. The BKA official asks for understanding that he cannot provide any information. But he again asks for help regarding the cell phone. Encouraged viewers to check older phones as well to see if this number appeared anywhere. "Please check all this phone number!"

8:21 pm: Rudi Cerne asks the BKA official Christian Hoppe whether there is a hot trace under the information? "Some information is already going forward," said the official. "Can you convict the suspect yet?" Rudi Cerne continues. The BKA official asks for understanding that he cannot give an answer.

But he has an urgent call: Who knows this cell phone number or knows something about the user: 00351 916510683.

8:15 p.m .: Case number XY begins with the Maddie case. 800 clues have been received since the last broadcast.

https://www.focus.de/kultur/kino_tv/dri ... 60026.html

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Re: German prisoner identified as suspect

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Looking for answers about the new suspect in the Madeleine McCann case we've discovered incredible details of a sordid story that leaves us awkward.
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What Algarve of the travelling caravanists is this anyway?
How does it work?
Who controls it?
Or can't control it?
What sexual crimes against children was there more?
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