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Re: Trump

Post by Alibongo » Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:54 am

I can't sleep :insanity:
Surely there must be a result soon.
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Re: Trump

Post by Alibongo » Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:57 am

Parent-blaming is all-too-common these days, and usually the point is to make other parents feel better about their own parenting skills

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Post by Carana » Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:02 am

I've been saying for ages that Bannon's a dangerous lunatic. (And that he's a good pal of Farage, helped BoJo with a speech, co-founded Cambridge Analytica..., but that's neither here nor there, for the moment.)

Oh, and as Trump's chief strategist for a while, he had top security clearance - at least until April 2017.

Legal experts say Stephen Bannon may face a challenge in his security clearance as President Trump's now-former chief strategist returns to his pre-White House career as executive chairman at the media company Breitbart.

“People with Top Secret clearances are bound by a nondisclosure agreement (NDA) for life,” said Bradley Moss, a partner at the Law Office of Mark Zaid specializing in national security and security clearance law.

“Any time Breitbart now prints classified information, they might now be required to clear it with the government," according to Moss.

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Post by Carana » Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:02 am

Alibongo wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:57 am
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/liv ... 8732a64137

Good grief.
Remember Pizzagate and some vulnerable "do-gooder" shooting around a family restaurant, believing that kids were being held captive in a non-existent cellar?

Wondering if there's a political connection with Hampsteadgate.
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Re: Trump

Post by Alibongo » Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:45 am

That was a very weird case if I recall at least one woman went to jail for her part in leading a vendetta against several people who they decided were part of a conspiracy in p.a.e.dophile and devil worship 😜😜

And now Q has got a foothold in the senate I expect to see much more of these crazies.
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Re: Trump

Post by bluj1515 » Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:38 pm

Carana wrote:
Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:17 am
I gather that laws vary from state to state as to when they can start counting votes. I'd have thought it would take the pressure off if they could have started earlier.

Is this their choice or did they unsuccessfully attempt to change it?

Scrap that, I just reread your comment. :s_sad

Pulling every dirty trick in the book.

I saw (late last night for me) a small crowd outside one poll-counting station, apparently demanding access to "monitor" votes. But, my understanding is that there are both Dem and Republican counters who both check, plus certified supervisors. And technology has somewhat moved on since the "chad" episode.
The chad incident was specific to Florida. It was the way their ballots were designed. Every state decides their own ways of handling the election, ballot design, even what machine they use. One of the things slowing things down in PA is in addition to the mail in ballots the in person ballots were paper ballots you fed into a machine yourself and it counted it right there with a ticket to you. We had electronic machines before that were suspectible to hacking and had no proof of your vote being counted. The reaction to Chads was to go entirely electronic. Then after a decade of that the concern became there is no receipt or proof when you vote electronically like that. This cycle was to be the first elections PA’s new machines were in use. Ironically post 2000 Florida actually fixed their system and are now fairly efficient.
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Post by bluj1515 » Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:40 pm

Alibongo wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:45 am
That was a very weird case if I recall at least one woman went to jail for her part in leading a vendetta against several people who they decided were part of a conspiracy in p.a.e.dophile and devil worship 😜😜

And now Q has got a foothold in the senate I expect to see much more of these crazies.
They got a foothold in the House, I don’t think any Senate candidates directly Q aligned won. But they’re in Congress and so the Senate is probably a matter of time.

They’ve also been arrested for harboring people that kidnap their own children who they’ve lost custody of, etc. They are a disaster. But “Q” has not posted since Election Day and they’re starting to lose it
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Re: Trump

Post by bluj1515 » Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:42 pm

Carana wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:02 am
Alibongo wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:57 am
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/liv ... 8732a64137

Good grief.
Remember Pizzagate and some vulnerable "do-gooder" shooting around a family restaurant, believing that kids were being held captive in a non-existent cellar?

Wondering if there's a political connection with Hampsteadgate.
Whatever right wing weirdness you’re dealing with in the UK that seemingly rises out of nowhere you can bet is directly connected.
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Post by honestbroker1 » Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:46 pm

Biden matching belligerence with belligerence. If he wins (as seems certain) he has vowed to 'kick trespassers out of The White House'

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Post by bluj1515 » Sat Nov 07, 2020 3:13 am

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Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:46 pm
Biden matching belligerence with belligerence. If he wins (as seems certain) he has vowed to 'kick trespassers out of The White House'
The chairman of his campaign said that the United States government was more than capable of escorting the loser from the White House
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Post by Carana » Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:24 am

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Post by honestbroker1 » Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:29 am

Puerile.

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Re: Trump

Post by Carana » Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:03 am

Indeed. He is.
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Re: Trump

Post by honestbroker1 » Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:22 am

77 is an extraordinarily advanced age to take on a role as demanding as president. Trump is only a few years younger.

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Post by Carana » Sat Nov 07, 2020 11:47 am

I doubt Biden intends taking on a second term. He wouldn't have been my first choice, but at least I feel sure that he'll offer a bit of stability, not just for the US, but for the rest of the world that the US impacts.
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Post by Carana » Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:51 pm

Seems Biden has been declared the winner. Can we all breathe now?
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Post by honestbroker1 » Sat Nov 07, 2020 5:31 pm

Carana wrote:
Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:51 pm
Seems Biden has been declared the winner. Can we all breathe now?
Mr Trump rejected the outcome of the election, saying his opponent was “rushing to falsely pose as the winner”. In a statement, Mr Trump said his campaign on Monday would “start prosecuting our case in court to ensure election laws are fully upheld and the rightful winner is seated”.

“It remains shocking that the Biden campaign refuses to agree with this basic principle and wants ballots counted even if they are fraudulent, manufactured, or cast by ineligible or deceased voters,” Mr Trump said, repeating claims from this campaign in recent days that have not been backed up by any solid evidence.
Seemingly not.

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Post by Carana » Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:10 pm

None of the fact-checking sites appear to have found evidence of fraud so far. There may always be a glitch somewhere, though.

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Post by Carana » Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:14 pm

Report: Armed men arrested in Philadelphia were trying to deliver fake ballots

By Jason Hanna, Rob Frehse and Sonia Moghe, CNN

Updated 0746 GMT (1546 HKT) November 7, 2020
Police say the men traveled in this Hummer, found about a block from the Philadelphia Convention Center.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/07/us/p ... index.html
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Post by Carana » Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:19 pm

Good. Creep. :s_mad

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Updated 2138 GMT (0538 HKT) November 6, 2020

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/05/tech ... index.html
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Re: Trump

Post by honestbroker1 » Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:07 pm

So Bidden has won the Senate.

But the House of Representatives is neck-and-neck 48 votes apiece (Bidden and Trump).

I imagine this is quite a disappointing result for Biden, predicted by the polls to be headed for a landslide victory.

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Re: Trump

Post by Alibongo » Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:34 pm

It doesn't sound like it's over yet by a long way :s_no
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Post by honestbroker1 » Sat Nov 07, 2020 9:28 pm

Alibongo wrote:
Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:34 pm
It doesn't sound like it's over yet by a long way :s_no
I don't think Trump will get any where with his threatened legal action.

It's quite extraordinary. Trump already is up and running, haranguing and berating those who, at least at the moment, support him, for not stepping forward and funding his (proposed) legal challenge against the result of the election.

From The Telegraph:
Mr Trump said his Democrat opponent had yet to be officially certified as the winner of any states, an complained that observers had not been allowed "meaningful access" to the counting process in Pennsylvania. He said: "Beginning Monday, our campaign will start prosecuting our case in court to ensure election laws are fully upheld and the rightful winner is seated.

"The American People are entitled to an honest election. That means counting all legal ballots, and not counting any illegal ballots. This is the only way to ensure the public has full confidence in our election. It remains shocking that the Biden campaign refuses to agree with this basic principle."

It came after Mr Trump's campaign issued an extraordinary email soliciting donations to a legal fund to challenge election counts.

The message headed "FINAL NOTICE" was sent out to supporters who had yet to contribute. It said: "So far, you've ignored all our emails asking you to join us in DEFENDING THE ELECTION. "TENS OF THOUSANDS of Patriots have stepped up for the VERY FIRST TIME in the last 48 hours - why haven't you?"

The goal was to raise at least $60 million (£45.6m) to fund legal challenges brought by Mr Trump. Astute readers of the emails were quick to notice the fine print, which said only half of donations would be used on legal fees, with the balance being used to pay down campaign debt.

He has been waging a months-long campaign against mail-in voting in November by tweeting and speaking critically about the practice, which has been encouraged by more states to keep voters safe amid the coronavirus pandemic.


Revealed: Secret 'war game' planning and fears of a legal challenge
In June, a group of politicos logged on to the video conference platform Zoom to "war game" what could happen after the US election. Among them were senior figures who had previously served in the White House, Pentagon, Homeland Security and Congress.

They were split into teams. Some acted as employees of Mr Trump or Mr Biden, making their arguments accordingly. Others played Republicans or Democrats in Congress, or represent the media or the courts.

The scenario given for the exercise – a technique commonly used in government and business to plan for crises – was a simple one: What if, on the morning after the US election, it was not clear who had won (the graphic below tracks the state of the polling)?

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Imagine postal votes in Wisconsin, North Carolina and Michigan are still being counted, participants were told. Without results from those three critical battleground states, the outcome hangs in the balance. What happens next?

Over the next four hours, each team argued their case, with adjudicators rolling a 10-sided die to decide conflicts and carrying the scenario on. Mr Trump's team decided he would fight his corner with all tools at his disposal.

Within 48 hours, the president ordered the head of the postal service, one of his appointees, to stop delivering postal ballots. Within a week, he used the two-centuries old Insurrection Act to deploy troops to protect counting stations.

As November turned to December, legal challenges mounted and protests erupted, but no clarity emerged. By January 20, inauguration day, neither side had backed down.

"We were all sort of sitting there, looking at each other, staring at the screen saying: 'Holy s**t'", recalled one participant. America was in a constitutional crisis.

'The doomsday scenario'
Such sessions, known as "table tops" or "war games", involve, by their very nature, imagination, thinking through scenarios that may not come to pass. Yet the issues grappled with that June afternoon are the same ones now being discussed with increasing volume in Washington DC.

To understand how seriously the concerns are being taken, and how widespread they are, The Telegraph talked to almost 20 well-placed individuals, including members of Mr Trump's Republican party.

Among them were current and former US congressmen, former senior figures in the Pentagon, intelligence agencies and past US administrations as well as academics working on mapping out worst-case scenarios.

What emerged was a deeply felt worry – some said without modern comparison – that the president (his approval rating is tracked in the graphic below) could pull legal, governmental and political levers to remain in power if Mr Biden fell short of a blowout victory.


Some predicted lawsuits over the increased use of mail-in ballots amid the coronavirus crisis. Others thought Mr Trump could misuse executive powers for his own benefit. Multiple people feared a tweet calling on his supporters to take to the streets.

"If the result is close, he is going to fight like a steer," said Christie Whitman, the former Republican governor of New Jersey. Academics warned of a "doomsday scenario" or a "perfect storm of bad things happening".

Tom Coleman, a former Republican congressman from Missouri, said: "From what we have experienced during Trump's three-and-a-half years in the presidency, one must assume he is capable of doing anything to stay in office."

Planning for the worst
The "war game" session was run by the Transition Integrity Project. It was created by two academics, Nils Gilman, a historian who has run scenario planning exercises for the US government for years, and Rosa Brooks, a law professor at Georgetown University.

The identities of those who took part is closely guarded – they have not been named publicly and participants are barred from speaking about the sessions. Its existence has only recently emerged.

It is understood members include two former governors, a former US cabinet minister, ex-chiefs of staff to a US president and vice president as well as retired members of the Pentagon and Congress – a sign of how seriously its work is taken.


The group actually held four individual role-playing exercises last month, each mapping the fallout from different election outcomes. Only in one, a massive victory for Mr Biden, did Mr Trump not seek to remain in power.

"There were four big takeaways from me from the games," said Mr Gilman, who discussed the broad findings but declined to talk publicly about the details of the exercises.

"First, unless Biden wins by a landslide, there's going to be a constitutional crisis and likely political violence. Second, if it is at all close Trump has perfectly legal ways to challenge the election if he and the Republican Party choose to.

"Third, the Biden campaign needs to understand that election day is not the finish line, the inauguration is. And fourth, neither the Supreme Court nor the military wants to touch any of this with a 10-foot pole."

The bipartisan group's focus has been the 78 days between the election on November 3 and the inauguration on January 20, when the US Constitution demands that a president leaves office at noon.

Unlike in Britain, when elections result in an immediate switch of government, the American presidential handover is staggered – a quirk of the US electoral system. That means Mr Trump is in the Oval Office during the period, with his hands on the levers of power.

Mr Trump has waved away suggestions that he would not accept a defeat. "Certainly, if I don't win, I don't win," the president told Fox News, saying he would "go on" and "do other things". His allies have done likewise, with one supportive senator calling the idea he could cling on "nutty stuff".

Mr Trump has said he would 'go on and do other things' if he did not win CREDIT: Evan Vucci/AP Photo
Yet Mr Biden disagreed, predicting the military may intervene should Mr Trump refuse to leave office. He told Daily Show host Trevor Noah: "I am absolutely convinced they will escort him from the White House with great dispatch."

'What would the military do?'
Stories shared with The Telegraph reveal that at least some Republicans in Congress, and figures in the US military circle, had deep disquiet about how Mr Trump could act if the election did not go his way.

Lawrence Wilkerson, a retired army colonel who was chief of staff to secretary of state Colin Powell, recalled a meeting with a Republican senator last autumn. The topic for discussion was the Yemen civil war – but at one point it unexpectedly changed.

"He asked me to dismiss all of my colleagues and he dismissed his legislative affairs guy and his chief of staff," Mr Wilkerson said of the senator.

"We were alone in his office and he prefaced it with: 'I just want to talk to you for a moment as a military professional.'"

"He said: 'I want to ask you a question. If things were really to go sour and the president loses and refuses to leave, or leaves and in either case calls a lot of his base to the streets and they come armed, what will the US military do?'"


Mr Wilkerson had time to unpack the polling on how soldiers voted and warn that such a situation would show the US political system had "utterly, abysmally failed" before a congressional vote ended the conversation.

Once, Mr Wilkerson said, he had thought it impossible that Mr Trump could call his supporters onto the streets with guns – but now he is not so sure. "I don't think it's probable, but just the fact that it's possible scares me," he said.

Guy Snodgrass was serving in the Trump administration until two years ago, when he stepped down as communications director to Jim Mattis, then US defence secretary, but remains in touch with old colleagues.

He said that, in recent months, three different senior figures – one colonel, one captain and one rear admiral – had all expressed fears that Mr Trump could ask the military to do things after the election that would be unpalatable.

"President Trump has been willing, as we've seen consistently for the last three and a half years, to put people in very precarious positions, making them choose between personal loyalty to him and professional loyalty to the country," he said.

"That is what everyone is terrified of. People are worried about getting into a situation where they are seen to be throwing out a president and getting dragged into a political food fight."

Numerous ex-government figures pointed to the handling of recent anti-racism protests, which saw crowds being forcibly cleared near the White House for a presidential photo-op by a church, as a cause for concern.

Apparent tensions between the president and military leaders burst into public view, with the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff apologising for appearing in the photo-op, the defence secretary publicly opposing the use of active soldiers and ex-military chiefs condemning Mr Trump.

Jeff Flake, (pictured below) the Republican senator for Arizona until last year and a prominent Trump critic, spoke to the tensions when asked if he had picked up unease between the president and his military chiefs when in the Senate.

CREDIT: AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais
"Oh yes, oh no doubt," Mr Flake told The Telegraph. "To a person, yes. That was reflected in the briefings that we got officially, and certainly it was reflected in private meetings that many of us had."

Mr Flake does not have concerns Mr Trump will try to cling on after a defeat, however, believing that the backing he would need – including from Republicans in Congress – would not be there.

"It's not that I don't think the president would be inclined to do that. I just don't think that there are any significant institutions that would support him," Mr Flake said.

He said of his old Republican congressional colleagues: "If the president's hoping that the same supporters, particularly those in leadership positions, would be inclined to help him overcome a genuine election, it's not going to happen."

Beyond Capitol Hill and the Pentagon, there are fears in intelligence circles too.

General Mike Hayden was director of the National Security Agency (NSA) under presidents Bill Clinton and George W Bush – one Democrat, one Republican – before serving as the latter's CIA director.


"I am worried this president will say the result is impossible and the election was rigged," Gen Hayden said, going on to mention the razor-tight 2000 election between Mr Bush and Al Gore, which ended up in the Supreme Court.

For weeks, the winner was not clear, with all focus on Florida amid debate about whether the infamous "hanging chad" ballots should be counted. Mr Gore ended his challenge when the Supreme Court stopped the Florida recount.

"We had something similar 20 years ago when Bush was elected, but he and Al Gore were honourable men. This president is not honourable," Gen Hayden said. "I think the Democrats will win and this president will say it is not right. And then I don't know what is going to happen."

He said similar concerns about the president's behaviour were voiced at a gathering he had recently attended with 10 other former CIA, NSA and Defence Department figures.

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'A witches' brew of uncertainty'
But what could actually happen? Among those who gave their views, two consistent messages emerged. One, the larger Mr Biden's victory, the less likely a Trump challenge. And two, any lawsuit will probably focus on postal votes.

This election cycle has seen a dramatic increase in mail-in votes because of the coronavirus crisis, with many state legislatures and governors, who tend to oversee election rules, sending out more given the risks of in-person voting.

Yet the president is fiercely critical. Mr Trump recently tweeted that mail-in ballots "will lead to the most corrupt election in USA history", a message he has echoed repeatedly.

A protester holds up a sign in support of the US Postal Service outside the Trump Hotel in Washington DC CREDIT: Erin Scott/Reuters
In near-daily tweets, interviews and speeches, he has, for months, been making allegations about mail-in voting leading to massive election fraud.

Democrats – and even some Republicans – say he is making these allegations, despite producing no evidence, to undermine confidence in the election results in case he loses. His campaign team sued to stop an expansion in Pennsylvania this month.

"You have to wonder to what extent any of the players … are trying to use delay as a tactical advantage or chaos," said Ned Foley, the director of election law at the Moritz College of Law at Ohio State University.

"Some sides might benefit, or think they benefit, from rocking the boat because they think they're going to lose or they think they want to create a narrative that the system is untrustworthy."

Mr Trump created the narrative and argued that mail-in ballots are vulnerable to fraud. Critics claim he sees them as more likely to result in Democratic votes, though the evidence is mixed on that point. Some see the laying of the groundwork for questioning the result.

Norman Ornstein, a scholar with the American Enterprise Institute think tank and a member of the National Task Force on Election Crises, another bipartisan body doing worst-case election planning, is concerned about the timings of result declarations.

Normally, states have maybe four or five per cent of their electorate voting by mail, Mr Ornstein said, but this year that figure was much, much higher.

"We may have election results that don't come in for a week, 10 days or more after the election because it takes so long to count them," he said. "We know that the president wouldn't hesitate if he lost under those circumstances to cry foul and say the election was rigged."

The delayed counts have added to the confusion. One fear is that the media could call a state one way on election night, only to backtrack and hand it to the other candidate after postal ballots are counted, fuelling conspiracies.

Mr Trump called on states to stop counting postal ballots because they were illegitimate – something he came near to doing in one close race during the 2018 midterm elections.

"The Florida election should be called in favor of Rick Scott and Ron DeSantis in that large numbers of new ballots showed up out of nowhere," Mr Trump said then, name-checking the Republican candidates for the Senate and governorship as counting continued. He claimed "an honest vote count is no longer possible".

Read more: How Joe Biden or Donald Trump can secure victory - and what happens if neither gets 270 votes

Preparing 'for the unthinkable'
Some have already turned to lawyers for advice. Mr Coleman, the ex-Republican congressman, was so concerned that he contacted a leading constitutional scholar about the mechanism for forcibly removing Mr Trump from office.

"For over 200 years, the above have probably never been thought about," the scholar wrote back, according to Mr Coleman.

"But we do not live in normal times, and Trump is certainly not a normal president. We must be prepared for the unthinkable."

One sitting Republican warned that, with postal vote changes, coronavirus and the recent civil unrest, there was "a witches' brew of uncertainty" around the election. "I fully anticipate there will be legal challenges all over the place, just like there was in 2000," he said.

On November 6, this is now a reality. Mail-in ballots are still being counted and are leaning in Mr Biden's favour who is on course to win election.

As a result, Mr Trump has filed a number of lawsuits in key battleground states: Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan and Nevada, where the votes could not be closer.

The team behind the war games see value in their work. They hope to share their learnings from the exercises with decision-makers in the election process such as state governors, voting administrators and broadcast bosses.

"The purpose of these exercises isn't just to give people nightmares about the dissolution of America but to make sure this doesn't happen," said Ms Brooks, who co-founded the Transition Integrity Project.

"The hope was that these exercises could prevent these catastrophic outcomes."

We will find out very soon if that has proven to be correct.

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Re: Trump

Post by honestbroker1 » Sun Nov 08, 2020 6:06 pm

Looks as if Trump might have lost, not just the election, but also his wife, herself, of a view that the result is fair.
Rumours were swirling this morning that the First Lady is "counting down the minutes" until her husband leaves office so she can commence divorce proceedings.
(Telegraph).

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