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[honestbroker1]

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(Brietta):

I don't think [Brueckner] ever will [say what happened to Madeleine] ... pretty soon it may well be the only 'power' he has and he won't give it up. The police will have to find evidence to charge and convict him and I think they are almost there - just case building extra carefully since murder has been mentioned.

And Barrier replies:

Only took 14 yrs to catch up with why Harrison was brought in.

Why was Harrison brought in?

Harrison tells us:

This report considers solely the possibility that Madeleine McCann has been murdered and her body is concealed within the areas previously searched by Police in Zone 1 around Praia Da Luz. Other scenarios or possibilities [than murder] may on request be considered and be subject of a further report. I also make comment on the recent claims made by a Mr Krugel as to the whereabouts of the missing child.

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He was brought in because the PJ formulated their own theory that Madeleine had been murdered.

Harrison was brought in, on the instructions of the PJ, to investigate that possibility.

[honestbroker1]

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Lace writes:

I don't believe OG were given the only crime of stranger abduction to investigate at all. As they said they read through everything, thousands of pages of investigation. Just because they said they didn't interview the McCann's as that was dealt with by the Portuguese Police [they had all the statements etc,]. doesn't mean they automatically just assumed the McCann's innocent. That is something the anti's use as an argument against the Police Forces saying the McCann's are innocent and there was no evidence the McCann's were involved in Madeleine's disappearance. Two Police Forces are investigating abduction, have the German Police been told not to investigate the McCann's too?

From before the British arrived, the PJ concluded that Madeleine was murdered, and instructed Mark Harrison to investigate nothing else.

[honestbroker1]

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From the UK Injustice wumm on, he admits, the torture of Leonor Cipriano:

At least one of them was tortured. Yes.

After, get it, after having already told a judge they'd killed her.

Why didn't she tell the judge she was innocent?

Is the wum actually dense enough to think the timing of the torture validates the "confession"?

Perhaps he is.

The fact of torture, proven to the full satisfaction of a Portuguese court, ought, also to have eliminated any chance of Leonor being convicted of the crime, at least on the back of that 'evidence' alone.

Coercion can take many forms, besides torture, and evidence/proof of torture is a powerful and persuasive indicator of coercion, preceding torture, that was sufficient to extract from Leonor what they wanted to hear.

Tell us what we want to hear (that you murdered your daughter)or you know what you'll get.

Leonor told them, and "got" it, anyway.

[honestbroker1]

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From Angelo:

Did you forget about the Eddie and Keela alerts in the apartment and to Kate McCanns clothing. Maybe that was imagined too

And why didn't Kate McCann cooperate with the Portuguese detectives if she was innocent?

Let's see.

The exact-same clothing both dogs ignored in the villa was bundled into bog-standard cardboard boxes and taken from villa to gym and there, laid out on the gym floor for both dogs to trample over and one dog to pick certain items up in his mouth, then bark.

Immediately following that debacle, everything was returned to Kate and Gerry, yet poor Kate, to the present day, lives with the canard of 'death scent on her clothes', accompanied by fevered speculation of 'how it got there'.

Why was the same clothing inspected twice? And why was it ignored by both dogs in one spot, yet reacted to by one dog in another? Why were principles of cross-contamination ignored in the way clothing was taken from villa to gym?

Why was Harrison's reaction to the whole thing the figurative equivalent of holding his nose and trying to make a bad smell go away?

[honestbroker1]

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12280.0

Many of the McCann supporters haven't moved on. They still insist that there's evidence of abduction, they still hurl a variety of accusations at anyone who doesn't share their opinions, and they still give too much credence to media stories in my opinion.

Seems to have completely passed G-Unit by that the Portuguese prosecutor Herr Walters believes they are on the cusp of solving the case and bringing charges against a German national.

Unreal ....

[catkins]

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From Angelo:

Did you forget about the Eddie and Keela alerts in the apartment and to Kate McCanns clothing. Maybe that was imagined too

And why didn't Kate McCann cooperate with the Portuguese detectives if she was innocent?

Let's see.

The exact-same clothing both dogs ignored in the villa was bundled into bog-standard cardboard boxes and taken from villa to gym and there, laid out on the gym floor for both dogs to trample over and one dog to pick certain items up in his mouth, then bark.

Immediately following that debacle, everything was returned to Kate and Gerry, yet poor Kate, to the present day, lives with the canard of 'death scent on her clothes', accompanied by fevered speculation of 'how it got there'.

Why was the same clothing inspected twice? And why was it ignored by both dogs in one spot, yet reacted to by one dog in another? Why were principles of cross-contamination ignored in the way clothing was taken from villa to gym?

Why was Harrison's reaction to the whole thing the figurative equivalent of holding his nose and trying to make a bad smell go away?

They will never admit to screwing up the investigation. Pity for poor Madeleine who didn’t stand a chance of being found quickly

[jjbd]

UK Justice forum has taken over from the cesspit.

The scumbags angelo and G-unit make a mockery of any sensible discussion.

G-unit is still taking instructions from bennett's cesspit which has descended into nothing.

[honestbroker1]

With the tide now firmly out on the slightest chance of Kate or Gerry being held directly responsible for Madeleine's disappearance, and with 'woke and wandered' long ago abandoned, blaming the McCanns for 'neglect' in the wake of (seemingly) Brueckner's crimes is the only show left ....

[honestbroker1]

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Having not even looked at this site for 4 months I had a few spare minutes so thought I would look to see if Davel had received an early Xmas present of CB being charged yet, but alas no, they are still in the evidence gathering phase it seems.

Then I see this post and realise it's still the same horseshit that is being posted. This is why laymen shouldn’t pontificate on subjects that they have no background or experience in.
A scent dog at an airport is doing a blind screen search, it is not led by intelligence to target a specific person or area, a cadaver dog search is normally intelligence lead and the dogs are searching for something that may or may not be in the search area, hence blind screen dogs are kept on leads and cadaver dogs search off lead and are given freedom to explore the area thoroughly. To equate the two types of search as being no different from each other shows a lack of understanding in just how different types of police dogs operate.

You can keep saying that Eddie’s searches were suspect but realise, this is only your opinion nothing else. It is also just my opinion that the searches were done correctly as I am not an expert dog handler either, but as we both lack qualifications or experience in this matter the best course of action would be to follow the qualified experts that carried out or observed said searches and have not opined that they were suspect or corrupt. Or maybe not?

Mark Harrison said this:

During the searches two dogs were deployed and although it has been stated that no physical remains were located in the area these dogs did give indications in several areas. These areas have been subject to a separate forensic examination that is beyond the scope of this report and at the time of writing laboratory tests are being undertaken. The dogs’ handler has submitted a separate report regarding the performance of the dogs (see appendix 4).However, it must be stated any such indications without any physical evidence to support them can not have any evidential value, being unconfirmed indications. Additionally I consider no inference can be drawn as to whether a human cadaver has previously been in any location without other supporting physical evidence.

Mark Harrison is an expert.

ETA The blatant online corruption that has Harrison describing Grime's working pets as "Police" dogs edited out.

Ex-Police dogs would have been accurate.

But Harrison simply wrote "dogs".

[honestbroker1]

Vertigo Swirl being a tad charitable here, I think:

IMO random drug searches by police dogs at an airport are less likely to be subject to unconscious handler bias than searches of suspects' houses, cars and possessions.

Let's see.

If all had gone the way Mark Harrison, part of whose job was supposed to have been to determine the schedule of searches, had wanted, there would never have been an inspection of the McCanns' rented vehicle, hired 3 weeks after Madeleine had vanished, as I'm sure Mark Harrison was aware.

And the fact that, for the 'inspection' of vehicles, alone of them all, Grime wore a crime-scene protection suit and was handed the video for private and promotional use, suggests some sort of prior collaboration.

Grime had motives far beyond solving a crime at PdL for wanting Eddie to alert to the Renault Scenic.

Only Grime can say why he supposed, even in theory, that Madeleine's blood might be found on the ignition key of a vehicle hired 3 weeks after she vanished.

[honestbroker1]

This is what Mark Harrison originally recommended, more notable for what isn't there than what is:

In considering the two scenarios that Madeleine McCann has been murdered and her body disposed of by a person on foot or in a vehicle, I have reflected on the areas within zone 1 that have been previously searched or subject to forensic examination.

Mark Warner Creche at Praia Da Luz.

This is the location of the last confirmed sighting by a person independent of family members of Madeleine McCann. Although this location was within the original search area it may well benefit from a further search using enhanced detecting methods for human remains. This will depend on the size of any outside grounds and concealed areas inside the building.

McCann's Apartment.

The apartment in which the McCann's had stayed may present further
opportunities to search. The use of a specialist EVRD (Enhanced Victim
Recovery Dog) and CSI dog (human blood detecting dog) could potentially indicate on whether Madeline's blood is in the property or the scent of a dead body is present. In relation to the dead body scent if such a scent is indicated by the EVRD and no body is located it may suggest that a body has been in the property but removed. This search process could be repeated in all the apartments that were occupied by the friends holidaying with the McCann's.
Murat's House and Garden.

The property has been forensically examined to recover any surface trace evidence however the house and gardens may benefit from a fully invasive specialist search to preclude the presence of Madeleine McCann.
A method previously employed on similar cases has been to use the below assets.
Deploy the EVRD to search the house and garden to ensure Madeleine McCann's remains are not present. The dog may also indicate if a body has been stored in the recent past and then moved off the property, though this is not evidential merely intelligence.
Deploy the CSI dog to search the house to locate any human blood.
This will act in support of the forensic examination already completed.
An inhibiting factor will be on areas where Luminol has been used.


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Deploy geophysical instruments in the house and garden to detect any burial of a body or concealment in voids.

These specialists should be supported by physical search teams exploring and accessing all areas where concealment of a child's body could be made typically 0.5m.

Murat's Vehicles.

All vehicles Murat has had access to have been forensically examined to recover any surface trace evidence however they may all benefit from a full search by the EVRD and CSI dogs. They may be able to detect whether a dead body has been transported in one of the vehicles for intelligence purposes or detect human blood deposits that can be recovered and
examined in a laboratory for Madeleine McCann's blood.

Open Area to East of Praia Da Luz.

This open area between the village urban limits and the Boavista golf club to the east and includes a plateau on which sits a trig point and mobile phone mast.
This area has been previously searched by officers and dogs walking through the area to check for Madeleine McCann's visible remains. However considering the new scenario of Homicide and concealed deposition this area affords many opportunities to dispose of a body. Within this area there are old empty properties, wells, thick vegetation, pockets of soft sand and natural fissures in the cliffs. Whilst there is no intelligence she is buried or concealed in this land it would be a natural place an offender may choose dose to the Village using the least effort principle. A proportionate response may therefore be considered to conduct a search of this area using a team of Victim Recovery Dogs (VRD) that are specifically trained to located concealed human remains.
Prior to undertaking this task it would be beneficial to consult with a Forensic Anthropologist with knowledge of this region of Portugal to give opinion as to the likely state of any remains to be found. Further research could also be conducted with regards to the natural scavenging predators in the area.

NO reference, there:

To vehicles, besides those of Robert Murat's

The McCanns' rented villa moved in to long AFTER a full-scale police and civilian search for Madeleine

Clothing. Unsurprisingly, in part because none was seized until fully 3 months after the crime; in part, because uncorroborated cadaver dog alerts are inadmissible as evidence in English courts; in part because Grime never had, at least a cadaver dog, trained to inspect clothing, in part because minute traces of Madeleine's blood on any clothing would not have been remotely incriminating.

[honestbroker1]

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From Icanhandlethetruth

OK lets look at these,

We disagree on that they have been admitted a mere three times in the UK because they have not been robustly challenged and that at sime stage that could happen..

4 times in UK. Your one piece of "evidence" to support this assertion is questionable hearsay evidence from the family of a man spending life in prison, so lets leave Gilroy case to one side. Where is your evidence that in the cases of Ian Stewart, Edward Cairney , Avril Jones and Ross Willox the evidence wasn’t robustly challenged.

We disagree that there is evidence that they have not been robustly challenged

I will repeat there is no evidence that they weren’t robustly challenged, even the hearsay evidence doesn’t say they weren’t robustly challenged. I don't know where you got this idea from.

We disagree that the SCCRC said they should not have been admitted..

I have no idea if they said it or not, you seem to believe it because the parents of the convicted man said it was so, you have never seen hide nor hair of the SCCRC report.

Why do you place so much weight on the words of the family of a man serving a sentence for murder?

Mark Harrison is clear that at least cadaver dog alerts are inadmissible as evidence in English courts.

Scotland has a separate legislature from England.

(more in an edit).....

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he property has been forensically examined to recover any surface trace evidence however the house and gardens may benefit from a fully invasive specialist search to preclude the presence of Madeleine McCann.
A method previously employed on similar cases has been to use the below assets.
Deploy the EVRD to search the house and garden to ensure Madeleine McCann's remains are not present. The dog may also indicate if a body has been stored in the recent past and then moved off the property, though this is not evidential merely intelligence.

Not evidential; merely intelligence.

It took me ages to work out the difference between 'evidence' and 'intelligence', but I think I finally got there.

Intelligence is anything, in the course of a criminal enquiry, that can give rise to further lines of enquiry but cannot be used as evidence in court.

Before witnessing events, Harrison stated in the above that an alert by Eddie might prove the catalyst for further lines of enquiry, but would not, in and of itself, provide anything usable in court.

Then Harrison witnessed Grime in action and tried to make a bad smell go away.

He is retrospectively very clear that no alert by either dog is remotely evidential or suggestive of any presence of a corpse.

The late blogger Steel Magnolia alleged Grime had a mega-hissy fit when leaned on by a British official, unnamed, but certainly Harrison, if true, to write in his reports that cadaver dog alerts uncorroborated by physical forensic evidence are unusable and inadmissible in English courts.

I believe that's true. Beyond doubt, Grime issued no such caveat in Jersey and Haut de la Garenne, where it was left to Wiltshire Police, conducting their own independent enquiry, to establish the point from the Policing Improvement Agency, for which Harrison used to work.

ETA: Scotland and England have separate legislatures, therefore it is not helpful to cite Scottish case law as a guide to what might, or might not, apply in England.

[honestbroker1]

Oh dear, oh dear.

I have looked at just one of the cases Icanhandlethetruth cites above, Edward Cairney.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... t-45889244

Margaret Fleming is alleged to have been killed at some point between late December 1999 and early January 2000.

WPC Hill arrived on the scene and attempted to find Margaret some four years before that.

PC Hill told prosecutor Iain McSporran QC that she arrived at Seacroft at 20:30 on October 28, 2016.

'Concerned'
The witness told the High Court in Glasgow she spoke to Mr Cairney and Ms Jones to try to get information about Margaret.

PC Hill added: "We had a vulnerable person with learning difficulties and we were concerned for her."

The officer had been informed Margaret made off through the back of the house before she briefed Mr Cairney and Ms Jones how a dog search works.

PC Hill said: "Mr Cairney said the dog won't find any scent. He said she might have gone round the back and swung out onto the main road."

Mr McSporran said: "His first instinct was to say the dog wouldn't find any scent?"

The witness replied: "Yes."

PC Hill said that she was told Margaret had been wearing a tartan fleece, jeans and builders' boots that night.

She told the court Mr Cairney described Margaret as around 5ft 4in, of heavy build with dark shoulder length hair.

This was clearly a dog trained to pick up scents of living humans, some four years before Margaret was murdered.

[honestbroker1]

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Bloody hell ...

The difficulty with the dog alerts in the apartment and those in the underground car park is that they happened. They can't all be dismissed as not credible.

Why not?

Had inspections been carried out the way Mark Harrison, part of whose job was supposed to have been to determine the schedule of searches, had wanted, there would never have been 'inspections' in places or of things Madeleine never went near:

The Renault Scenic, hired 3 weeks after Madeleine had vanished

The McCanns' rented villa, moved in to AFTER a full-scale police and civilian search for Madeleine

Clothing. In part because Grime never had, at least a cadaver dog, trained to inspect clothing; in part because minute traces of Madeleine's blood on any clothing would not have been remotely incriminating; in part, because uncorroborated cadaver dog alerts are inadmissible as 'evidence' in English courts.

Yet the exact-same clothing both dogs ignored in the villa was bundled into bog-standard cardboard boxes and taken to a separate venue, a gym, and laid out on the floor for both dogs to trample over and one to bark and pick certain items up in his mouth.

Following that debacle, everything was returned immediately to Kate and Gerry, but still, poor Kate, to present day, lives with the canard of 'death scent on her clothes' accompanied by fevered speculation of 'how it got there'.

Frankenstein's monster.

A metaphor for our time

For all time.

After taking orders from Encarnacido, Harrison wrote:

In complying with these terms I undertook a series of briefings and site visits. These were with GNR and PJ personnel who had been involved in the previous searches conducted the week following Madeleine McCann’s disappearance in Praia da Luz.



The output of this process of reconnaissance and review was a written document entitled “Madeleine McCann Search Decision Support Document” (see appendix 2) and submitted to the PJ with copies supplied to Leicestershire Police and NPIA on 23-07-07.

It recommended considering re searching:



- All accommodation occupied by the McCann family and their friends as well as any hired vehicles.

- The villa and garden occupied by Robert Murat and any vehicles he had access to.

- Areas of wasteland adjacent to Murat’s and the McCann’s apartment.

- Areas of the beach in Praia da Luz.

- A portion of the coastline east of Praia da Luz.



These recommendations were based on the fact that these areas had not been previously searched with the specific intent to locate Madeleine McCann’s concealed and deceased body and that the areas recommended afforded likely and obvious places to consider for concealment in such an investigation.

Who bent Encarnacideo's ear?

Here's a clue.

Grime wrote in his profile, written before anyone English had set foot on Portuguese soil to investigate Madeleine's disappearance, that he had a cadaver dog that could be used for purposes such as inspecting clothing.

A statement of intent, I suggest, also laid bare by the fiasco at the gym in Lagos.

[honestbroker1]

This passage of analysis, written by a perceptive and shrewd PJ Inspector:

From the screening of the videos, referred previously, done when the dogs were working, some doubts arise. We don't want and we can't take the place of the trainer, we only wish to alert, with this paragraph, to some facts, that according to us, need further clarification.

If the dog is trained to react when he detects what he is looking for, why, in most of the cases, we see the dog passing more than once by that place in an uninterested way, until he finally signals the place where he had already passed several times'

On one of the films, it's possible to see that 'Eddie' sniffs Madeleine's cuddle cat, more than once, bites it, throws it into the air and only after the toy is hidden does he 'mark' it (page 2099). Whys didn't he signal it when he sniffs it on the first time'

Apart from all that was said about the dogs, we must also take into attention the results of the forensic analysis that was performed by the experts on the Scientific Police Laboratory on the day immediately after the facts, and already mentioned where no vestige of blood was found.

[honestbroker1]

Good grief

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.p ... =12284.315

So did Grime work his dogs differently in Luz than he did on other jobs? It can't be assumed that he did. Nor can it be assumed that he did anything wrong just because some PJ analysts and McCann supporters didn't understand what they observed.

Let's see.

In the Kate Prout case, no clothes were strewn over some floor for dogs to trample over and sniff, and one dog to bark and pick up certain items in his mouth.

Stuff was not laid out in one place, then bundled into bog-standard cardboard boxes and taken to another place to be treated the same.

There was no massive line-up of cars.

An alert by Eddie in the Prout matrimonial home was used by the prosecution, not as evidence, but as intelligence, as the basis for the prosecution's surmise that Prout strangled Kate there. No mention was made of the dog-alert. We now know that detail was inaccurate in a nonetheless safe conviction.

In Detroit and the Bianca Jones case, on the other hand, you will find Grime's modus operandi in PdL replicated, almost to the letter. Stuff tested in one place, taken to another (in ways, I'm sure, mindful of cross-contamination, with steps taken to avoid it) and there laid out to be tested a second time.

Also, a lineup of vehicles in Detroit, much longer than in PdL.

[honestbroker1]

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(Eleanor)

I remember a statement about an Ocean Club Worker losing keys and that no one wanted to talk about it. But it was a long time ago.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/45 ... cCann-case

[honestbroker1]

Mark Williams-Thomas:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.ph ... ic=12181.0

Mark Williams-Thomas is making a new programme which seems to be addressing the Madeleine McCann case. He has been filming in Portugal and Germany, so he seems to be looking at the latest theory that German Christan B is involved. Here is today's tweet;

"Last few days filming in Germany then break before final filming in UK & abroad . Been a mad schedule - but nothing new . Always the way visit some lovely countries but never get to see the sites."

(More in an edit).

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... r-off.html

But TV detective Mr Williams-Thomas, believes the unsettled youngster walked out of the unlocked apartment searching for her parents in the poolside restaurant.

https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/sta ... 2213944322

(more in an edit).

From the archiving dispatch:

The parents didn't even represent the realisation of the fact, they trusted that everything would go well, as it had gone on the previous evenings, thus not equating, nor was it demanded from them, the possibility of the occurrenceof an abduction of any of the children that were in their respective apartments.

'Woke and wandered' was considered, and dismissed.

[honestbroker1]

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G-unit writes:

The SC were accused of misunderstanding the archiving dispatch. I have attempted to explain how they analysed it. That isn't supporting, it's explaining.

and Davel replies:

The SC said insufficient evidence... The asrchiving despatch said no evidence.... So what evidence was the SC referring to

There is the further point that the authors of the archiving dispatch, apparently, missed that the deployment of the English sniffer dogs, on whose reactions the principal plank of accusation against the McCanns rests, was both incompetent and corrupt.

[honestbroker1]

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G-unit writes:

I wonder if the Germans realise that stranger abduction has never been proved to be the crime which was committed? It became the only possibility not because of overwheming evidence but because of repeated reiteration.

And the Portuguese prosecutors wrote:

The parents didn't even represent the realisation of the fact, they trusted that everything would go well, as it had gone on the previous evenings, thus not equating, nor was it demanded from them, the possibility of the occurrence of an abduction of any of the children that were in their respective apartments.

Reinforcing what was said is also the fact that despite leaving their daughter alone with her siblings in the apartment during more or less dilated moments, it is certain that in any case they checked on them. Without any pretension or compensatory effect, we must also recognise that the parents already expiate a heavy penalty - the disappearance of Madeleine - due to their lack of caution in the surveillance and protection of their children.

Concerning the other indicated crimes, they are no more than that and despite our perception that, due to its high degree of probability, the occurrence of a homicide cannot be discarded, such cannot be more than a mere supposition, due to the lack of sustaining elements in the files.

The non involvement of the arguidos parents of Madeleine in any penally relevant action seems to result from the objective circumstances of them not being inside the apartment when she disappeared, from the normal behaviour that they adopted until said disappearance and afterwards, as can be amply concluded from the witness statements, from the telephone communications analysis and also from the forensics' conclusions, namely the Reports from the FSS and from the National Institute for Legal Medicine.

To this can be added that, in reality, none of the indications that led to their constitution as arguidos was later confirmed or consolidated. If not, let us see: the information concerning a previous alert of the media before the polices was not confirmed, the traces that were marked by the dogs were not ratified in laboratory, and the initial indications from the above transcribed email, better clarified at a later date, ended up being revealed as innocuous.

Even if, hypothetically, one could admit that Gerald and Kate McCann might be responsible over the child's death, it would still have to be explained how, where through, when, with what means, with the help of whom and where to they freed themselves of her body within the restricted time frame that would have been available to them to do so. Their daily routine, until the 3rd of May, had been circumscribed to the narrow borders of the 'Ocean Club' resort and to the beach that lies next to it, unknowing the surrounding terrain and, apart from the English friends that were with them on holiday there, they had no known friends or contacts in Portugal.

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Unreal.

John writes:

Martin Smith's evidence of seeing an as yet unidentified man carrying a child the night Madeleine disappeared was corroborated by the entire family. That is the important fact.

Uncorroborated evidence has little evidential value in court because it could well be made up or pure fiction intended to mislead.

[honestbroker1]

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Unreal.

John writes:

Martin Smith's evidence of seeing an as yet unidentified man carrying a child the night Madeleine disappeared was corroborated by the entire family. That is the important fact.

Uncorroborated evidence has little evidential value in court because it could well be made up or pure fiction intended to mislead.

Alright, yes, they do all say it might have been Madeleine.

But only Martin Smith and (initially) his wife thought the man carrying the child could be Gerry. Then Martin Smith proved he had recanted of that view by producing an efit of a man he clearly no believed was Gerry.

Unless anyone actually thinks Martin Smith would have produced an efit of a man he thought was Gerry, particularly after (initially) refusing to do so.

Worth adding that neither Mr Smith's daughter Aofe nor his son Peter EVER believed the man they all saw was Gerry, something Martin was honest enough to acknowledge in his statements to Portuguese police.

[jjbd]

Quite correct hb - but John only posts rubbish designed to wind supporters up.

[jjbd]

John
Could it be because Christian Bruckner doesn't have any history of pedocide or murder?

In fact, he was an abuser, a s-e-x pest and even a rapist as well as a pill peddler, somewhat estranged from the more major crime of murder.

I think the Germans simply invented the Bruckner did it narrative and now they are stuck with it.

Nobody has a history of murder before their first murder.

I don't need to be ex-police to know that.

[honestbroker1]

The joint-best moderator on that board (along with Brietta) Eleanor, has been sacked as a moderator, and now just posts as a regular poster.

Says it all, really.