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Post by honestbroker1 » Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:45 am

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.ph ... 681086#new

To take a post at random from that thread:
I think it's just as libelous to accuse Amaral of knowing 'the truth' and trying to cover it up as it is to accuse the McCanns of the same.
Let's see. I suppose it is technically possible that explanations other than lying would account for the following pronouncements of Amaral:

Mark Harrison turned the investigation into one for a little girl assumed dead and buried, somewhere close to the holiday apartments at Praia da Luz


Mark Harrison took orders from Amaral's boss Encarnacidio to investigate that Madeleine had been murdered and buried, and did so, ruling out burial, at least on the beach, and making plain he had no real idea what happened to Madeleine.

We talked about death by others, not murder

(See above)

Mark Harrison, further, wrote:
In considering the two scenarios that Madeleine McCann has been murdered and her body disposed of by a person on foot or in a vehicle, I have reflected on the areas within zone 1 that have been previously searched or subject to forensic examination.

Mark Warner Creche at Praia Da Luz.

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Post by honestbroker1 » Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:36 pm

(Continued from above)

McCann-accusers get hot under the collar when you point out that, actually, from before the point that the British arrived, the now shelved Madeleine-enquiry became a murder enquiry, for two reasons.

First, because of Amaral's lie (or, possibly, incompetence) in stating that, we talked about death by others, not murder.

Second, because they want to undermine Kate's, perfectly truthful, account in her book, of the 'deal' put to her and Gerry: If Kate confesses to finding and moving a body, she will get a few years and Gerry will get off scot-free; OR the pair of you will face MURDER charges.

The facts are that from before the British arrived, the pj formulated their own theory of murder, and instructed Mark Harrison to investigate nothing else.
This report considers solely the possibility that Madeleine McCann has been murdered and her body is concealed within the areas previously searched by Police in Zone 1 around Praia Da Luz. Other scenarios or possibilities may on request be considered and be subject of a further report. I also make comment on the recent claims made by a Mr Krugel as to the whereabouts of the missing child.
ETA: of course there is a third reason McCann-accusers get hot-under-the collar.

Amaral depicts Mark Harrison as the person who changed the enquiry into one for a little girl assumed dead.

Mark Harrison did no such thing.

He merely followed Encarnacidio's instructions as to what to investigate or not investigate.

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Post by honestbroker1 » Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:12 pm

From chapter 16 the book of many lies, arguably the most libellous passage of the book:
It's July. The hypothesis of death, including by the parents, is being seriously considered. However, no lead has yet come to anything, and we find ourselves in a cul-de-sac. We have to re-centre the investigation around its point of departure, apartment 5A at the Ocean Club, in Vila da Luz. We officially request the help of the best experts in criminology and forensics but also the specialist dog team from the English police. A few days later, we welcome Mark Harrison, a specialist in murder, and the search for missing persons and victims of natural disasters. National advisor to the British police, he is well known for his exceptional professional experience. He has already participated in dozens of international criminal investigations.

His work consists of defining new strategies for research. He gets to work immediately, supported by the Portuguese PJ and the investigators from Leicester and Scotland Yard. On his arrival, we place at his disposal details of the case, as well as all our material and human resources. Harrison reads up on the statements and interviews from the principal witnesses - including, of course, those of the parents and friends -, all the analyses, simulations, hypotheses and cross-checking already carried out. He carries out a reconnaissance on the ground, by helicopter and then on foot. He paces the streets and the access roads to Vila da Luz and compares them to the diagrams created in the course of the investigation. Nothing is left to chance: measurement and timing of possible routes between buildings, apartments and restaurants; analyses, with the help of the best specialists, of weather, geological and maritime factors in relation to the investigation; consultation with the best forensic anthropologist in the country, who indicates for us what would be the actual state of the body in the hypothesis of death occurring on May 3rd; study of the region's natural carrion predators. All the research already conducted by hundreds of people - GNR, civil defence, firemen and other volunteers - is re-examined in detail and re-analysed.

After a week of intense work, Harrison presents the results of his study to my coordinating group. Even if we were expecting it, his conclusions confirm our worst fears. The most plausible scenario is the following: there is no doubt that Madeleine is dead, and her body is hidden somewhere in the area around Praia da Luz. He praises the quality of the work carried out by the Portuguese authorities in trying to find the little girl alive. According to him, the time has come to redirect the searches in order to find, this time, a body hidden in the surrounding area.
Complete garbage.

Harrison offered to investigate other possibilities (than murder, (sic) on request.)

Nothing, at least in the files online, suggest he was requested to do so.

I'm sure Mark Harrison was deeply flattered to be described as a specialist in murder ...

The concluding sentence of Mark Harrison's final report:
I am currently of the opinion on the available information and statistical datasets that if death has occurred, that it is possible that Madeleine McCann’s body has been disposed into the sea at Praia da Luz. (See my second report entitled “NPIA OP TASK Search Doc Beach and Marine”).
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Post by honestbroker1 » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:24 pm

Yet more garbage from the book of many lies:
AMAZING STATISTICS

Great Britain has at its disposal the world's biggest data bank on homicide of children under five years old. Since 1960, the count is 1528. Harrison is well acquainted with its contents. He often draws information from there which helps him to resolve similar cases. Valuable information can be found there on on various criminal modus operandi, places where bodies are hidden, techniques used to get rid of a body. He relates that on one occasion, thanks to the data, he was able to deduce the maximum distance a body might be found in relation to where the crime had been committed.

The figures quoted in the report he hands over give us the shivers. The crimes, including those of a sexual nature, are committed by the parents in 84% of cases; 96% are perpetrated by friends and relatives. In only 4% of them is the murderer or abductor a total stranger to the victim. In this roundabout way, Mark Harrison points out that the guilty party may be a person close to Madeleine, and even her own parents. From now on, we have to explore this track, especially as the others have proved fruitless.
(more in edit)

From his report, what Mark Harrison actually said:
Homicide Disposal Datasets

A limited search has been conducted of datasets that contain body disposal
data in homicide cases (CATCHEM, SCAS, FBI). Although this search was
limited due to the time constraints placed on this reports delivery an inference
can be gained from both the data sets and the authors own case work
experience. I have also consulted with NPIA and FBI colleagues to benefit
from their experiences.
The conclusion inferred is that beach burial is extremely rare. This should not
surprise us as to dig on a beach is a high risk activity requiring expending time
and energy when a more 'least effort" disposal is readily available, that is
directly into the sea.
Of those limited cases that were found to be a beach
disposal the overwhelming majority were surface depositions with only one
recorded concealment using rocks on top of a 2 year old child (CATCHEM
Database)
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Post by jjbd » Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:50 pm

I think it's just as libelous to accuse Amaral of knowing 'the truth' and trying to cover it up as it is to accuse the McCanns of the same.
Of course that post is by G-Unit - the member of the cesspit that has never ever posted anything that has not been "discussed" in bennett's cesspit. Not one original idea or opinion.

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Post by sal » Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:29 am

Confusion over on justice who asked who for assistance........................

MADDIE CASE. DEFENDANT CONSTITUTION. PM FARO DIAP – PORTIMÃO SECTION
21 Apr 2022
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As part of the investigation into the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in 2007, a defendant was appointed this Wednesday.

The defendant was constituted by the German authorities in execution of a request for international judicial cooperation issued by the Public Ministry of Portugal.

The investigation is led by the DIAP in Faro (Portimão section) with the assistance of the Judiciary Police.

The investigation has been carried out with the cooperation of the English and German authorities.


https://comarca-faro.ministeriopublico. ... e-portimao
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Post by jjbd » Fri Apr 22, 2022 7:38 pm

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« Reply #15749 on: Today at 06:23:47 PM

»Clearly the Portuguese wish to keep their options open so they have chosen to be persuaded by the Germans in this instance. Can't see it going anywhere though as there just isn't any direct evidence that we know of connecting Bruckner with Madeleine McCann.
That is the standard of reasoning in Justice Forum.

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Post by honestbroker1 » Fri Apr 22, 2022 8:10 pm

One entity refreshingly absent from UK Injustice of late is 'Pathfinder.Is he still churning out crap on Twitter?

I have no idea, because he has me blocked from reading his account.

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Post by Alibongo » Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:38 pm

Surprisingly there are few of the original bottom feeders on twitter, some did succumb to covid so maybe pathfinder was one of them.
Parent-blaming is all-too-common these days, and usually the point is to make other parents feel better about their own parenting skills

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Post by honestbroker1 » Thu May 05, 2022 8:44 pm

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.ph ... 11381.4665

Mr Gray writes:
IMO one person who will come out very badly if it's shown that Maddie was abducted is Martin Grime. His claims Re his dogs have misled many and he's done nothing to set the record straight. If you take his claims at face value then Maddie definitely died in the apartment and the McCanns are guilty.. But she didn't.. All my opinion
Naturally, I object strenuously to the first 3 letters and final sentence of his post.

But apart from that, he is spot-on.

Grime won't care, though, just so long as nothing becomes between him and the 1000 euros a day (with all his other expenses on top) he fleeced (presumably) the Portuguese tax-payer of for his 'services', and so long as no one holds him to account.

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Post by honestbroker1 » Fri May 06, 2022 11:30 pm

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.p ... =11805.315

So is this post ignorance? Or malice?
For someone who claims to have concrete evidence he appears to be all at sea. Will Wolters be pursuing everyone whose phone pinged a mast in PdL on the 3rd May 2007 or is it only CB who is being pursued?
Not everyone, no.

But certainly any with a profile that would exactly match the profile of someone capable of crimes against small children, such as a prolific housebreaker and peadophile, proven to be in the vicinity of the crime at the time the crime was committed.

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Post by jjbd » Sat May 07, 2022 11:46 am

I have no idea why posters on UK Justice forum are feeding the troll wonderfulspam.

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Post by sal » Sat May 07, 2022 12:07 pm

jjbd wrote:
Sat May 07, 2022 11:46 am
I have no idea why posters on UK Justice forum are feeding the troll wonderfulspam.
or why some of his vile posts never get deleted.
Rogério Alves says claims made by Gonçalo Amaral are a 'waste of time'

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Post by honestbroker1 » Sat May 07, 2022 12:11 pm

jjbd wrote:
Sat May 07, 2022 11:46 am
I have no idea why posters on UK Justice forum are feeding the troll wonderfulspam.
That was Angelo, not the spam troll.

Moderator of UK InJustice

Last post of the link:

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.p ... =11805.315

As I think I've said before, should it turn out someone not Bureuckner took Madeleine, Brueckner would have regarded that as a 'missed opportunity'.

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Post by jjbd » Sat May 07, 2022 8:12 pm

honestbroker1 wrote:
Sat May 07, 2022 12:11 pm
jjbd wrote:
Sat May 07, 2022 11:46 am
I have no idea why posters on UK Justice forum are feeding the troll wonderfulspam.
That was Angelo, not the spam troll.

Moderator of UK InJustice

Last post of the link:

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.p ... =11805.315

As I think I've said before, should it turn out someone not Bureuckner took Madeleine, Brueckner would have regarded that as a 'missed opportunity'.
Sorry hb - my post was just generally about the forum and did not relate to your earlier post.

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Post by honestbroker1 » Sun May 08, 2022 10:06 pm

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.p ... 683151#new

A sage of the venerable forum asks:
Do we know if any of the information contained in those files did prove relevant?
This proved very relevant:
Reinforcing what was said ... it is certain that .. . they checked on [the children]. Without any pretension or compensatory effect, we must also recognise that the parents already expiate a heavy penalty - the disappearance of Madeleine - ....

Concerning the other indicated crimes, they are no more than that and despite our perception that, due to its high degree of probability, the occurrence of a homicide cannot be discarded, such cannot be more than a mere supposition, due to the lack of sustaining elements in the files.

The non involvement of the arguidos parents of Madeleine in any penally relevant action seems to result from the objective circumstances of them not being inside the apartment when she disappeared, from the normal behaviour that they adopted until said disappearance and afterwards, as can be amply concluded from the witness statements, from the telephone communications analysis and also from the forensics' conclusions, namely the Reports from the FSS and from the National Institute for Legal Medicine.

To this can be added that, in reality, none of the indications that led to their constitution as arguidos was later confirmed or consolidated. If not, let us see: the information concerning a previous alert of the media before the polices was not confirmed, the traces that were marked by the dogs were not ratified in laboratory, and the initial indications from the above transcribed email, better clarified at a later date, ended up being revealed as innocuous.

Even if, hypothetically, one could admit that Gerald and Kate McCann might be responsible over the child's death, it would still have to be explained how, where through, when, with what means, with the help of whom and where to they freed themselves of her body within the restricted time frame that would have been available to them to do so. Their daily routine, until the 3rd of May, had been circumscribed to the narrow borders of the 'Ocean Club' resort and to the beach that lies next to it, unknowing the surrounding terrain and, apart from the English friends that were with them on holiday there, they had no known friends or contacts in Portugal.
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Post by honestbroker1 » Tue May 24, 2022 7:56 pm

G-unit writes:
Everyone familiar with the case knows that the Portuguese didn't identify the crime, surely?

"But therefore we do not possess any minimally solid and rigorous foundation in order to be able to state, with the safety that is requested, which was or were the exact and precise crime(s) that was or were practised on the person of the minor Madeleine McCann - apart from the supposed but dismissed crime of exposure or abandonment - or to hold anyone responsible over its authorship."
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm
And Brietta replies:

Everyone familiar with the case knows the impact police incompetence had on Madeleine's case the only thing was that we just had no real conception until recently of the depths actually plumbed.

As I've pointed out before, the McCanns were made arguidos on suspicion of murdering Madeleine.

It must be a matter of conjecture as to whether Amaral, in stating to a Spanish magazine that (sic)

We talked about death by others, not murder,

was just too incompetent to understand the nature of the enquiry he, nominally, headed; OR lied in an (ironically) successful bid to keep his book from being declared libellous.

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Post by honestbroker1 » Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:46 am

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.ph ... 684767#new

Mr Gray writes:
Let me help you.. The McCanns are telling the truth.. Wolters is telling the truth.. CB is telling lies.. The original Portuguese investigation didn't have a clue
A slight point of difference, there, with Mr Gray.

The original Portuguese investigation did have a clue about everything except the identity of Madeleine's abductor.

The Prosecutors were quite right to conclude that Madeleine was abducted; PJ Inspector Carlos right to conclude that, at the moment of Kate's alert, Gerry was in the Tapas Restaurant; another PJ Inspector right to dismiss the statement of the English social services woman who tried to accuse David Payne.

The Portuguese dog-handlers made (genuinely) sterling efforts to try to find Madeleine, even though their efforts were fatally hampered by having dogs, yes, well-trained, but with the wrong kind of training for the search they attempted with them (not remotely the handlers' fault).

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Post by honestbroker1 » Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:18 pm

Could be wrong.

But I think the buggers have done for Davel?

Can't find any trace of any of his posts.

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Post by jjbd » Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:04 pm

honestbroker1 wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:18 pm
Could be wrong.

But I think the buggers have done for Davel?

Can't find any trace of any of his posts.
He changed his name to Mr Gray a while ago.

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Post by honestbroker1 » Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:16 pm

jjbd wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:04 pm
honestbroker1 wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:18 pm
Could be wrong.

But I think the buggers have done for Davel?

Can't find any trace of any of his posts.
He changed his name to Mr Gray a while ago.
Mr Gray has made nearly 50,000 posts on that board, so it can't have been that recent.

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Post by Whiterose » Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:05 pm

honestbroker1 wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:16 pm
jjbd wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:04 pm
honestbroker1 wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:18 pm
Could be wrong.

But I think the buggers have done for Davel?

Can't find any trace of any of his posts.
He changed his name to Mr Gray a while ago.
Mr Gray has made nearly 50,000 posts on that board, so it can't have been that recent.

When someone changes their user name, all the past posts are then showing the new user name.
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Post by honestbroker1 » Thu Jun 16, 2022 5:44 pm

Whiterose wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:05 pm
honestbroker1 wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:16 pm
jjbd wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:04 pm
honestbroker1 wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:18 pm
Could be wrong.

But I think the buggers have done for Davel?

Can't find any trace of any of his posts.
He changed his name to Mr Gray a while ago.
Mr Gray has made nearly 50,000 posts on that board, so it can't have been that recent.

When someone changes their user name, all the past posts are then showing the new user name.
Not so sure.

Mr Gray obeys rules of punctuation, such as ending sentences with a full-stop and beginning new sentences with an upper-case letter. He also leaves two spaces between the end of one sentence and the beginning of another.

Davel never used to ...

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Post by honestbroker1 » Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:42 am

You are, indeed, right. Mr Gray is Davel ....

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Post by honestbroker1 » Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:04 pm

Unreal:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.ph ... 685810#new

G-Unit writes:
The Portuguese Judiciary found they didn't have enough evidence to identify the crime or to bring charges. Operation Grange chose to interpret that as meaning the arguidos were wrongly suspected and proceeded to identify the crime without relying on evidence. The BKA followed suit.
(More in an edit)

From the archiving dispatch of the shelved enquiry:
The parents didn't even represent the realisation of the fact, they trusted that everything would go well, as it had gone on the previous evenings, thus not equating, nor was it demanded from them, the possibility of the occurrence of an abduction of any of the children that were in their respective apartments.
I'm pretty certain abduction is a crime in Portugal.

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