Correcting the falsehoods ...
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Correcting the falsehoods ...
And upholding reliable statements at UK (sometimesIN)Justice
https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.p ... 7060.10380
Did Eddie alert to a coconut, or didn't he?
Eleanor produced this link:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... shell.html
The report by Wiltshire Police into the whole HdLG debacle confirms what the link Eleanor provides says. It also describes the sequence of events leading up to the discovery and misidentification of the coconut as (potentially) a fragment of human skull.
The original misidentification was by a human anthropologist.
The exhibit, labelled for the investigation, jar/6, was presented to Eddie, who gave an indication suggestive of human remains.
Said exhibit was sent to a laboratory in Oxford for formal identification and there identified as a coconut or piece of timber.
Whilst it's possible Eddie might have alerted to something unrelated in the vicinity also within his scent range, unfortunately for Grime, we have the (corrupted) Praia da Luz record of the 'inspection' in the gym to tell us how these inspections are supposed to be conducted.
1. You choose an area
2. You have the dog reconnoitre the area in advance to rule out prior scents.
3. You introduce, into that area anything you want the dog to test.
By that means, you ensure that if the dog alerts, it is to what you have introduced, not to any scent that existed before.
According to the 'official' record of the PdL inspection in the gym, there was a gap of just 1 minute between the 'prior' reconnoitre and the official inspection of the clothing.
Had it all been done as it should have been, the clothes should have been packed and outside the dogs' scent-range during the prior reconnoitre, and there should have been a considerable gap between the reconnoitre and the start of the official inspection during which the clothes were unpacked and laid out.
With good reason, Harrison, after witnessing both inspections at villa and gym, issued PJ personnel with translated NPIA literature on how to conduct dog-inspections in buildings and vehicles.
There is little doubt the PJ cribbed from those instructions without really understanding what they were reading in writing up their 'official record' of that 'inspection'.
https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.p ... 7060.10380
Did Eddie alert to a coconut, or didn't he?
Eleanor produced this link:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... shell.html
The report by Wiltshire Police into the whole HdLG debacle confirms what the link Eleanor provides says. It also describes the sequence of events leading up to the discovery and misidentification of the coconut as (potentially) a fragment of human skull.
The original misidentification was by a human anthropologist.
The exhibit, labelled for the investigation, jar/6, was presented to Eddie, who gave an indication suggestive of human remains.
Said exhibit was sent to a laboratory in Oxford for formal identification and there identified as a coconut or piece of timber.
Whilst it's possible Eddie might have alerted to something unrelated in the vicinity also within his scent range, unfortunately for Grime, we have the (corrupted) Praia da Luz record of the 'inspection' in the gym to tell us how these inspections are supposed to be conducted.
1. You choose an area
2. You have the dog reconnoitre the area in advance to rule out prior scents.
3. You introduce, into that area anything you want the dog to test.
By that means, you ensure that if the dog alerts, it is to what you have introduced, not to any scent that existed before.
According to the 'official' record of the PdL inspection in the gym, there was a gap of just 1 minute between the 'prior' reconnoitre and the official inspection of the clothing.
Had it all been done as it should have been, the clothes should have been packed and outside the dogs' scent-range during the prior reconnoitre, and there should have been a considerable gap between the reconnoitre and the start of the official inspection during which the clothes were unpacked and laid out.
With good reason, Harrison, after witnessing both inspections at villa and gym, issued PJ personnel with translated NPIA literature on how to conduct dog-inspections in buildings and vehicles.
There is little doubt the PJ cribbed from those instructions without really understanding what they were reading in writing up their 'official record' of that 'inspection'.
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From the 'official' record of the inspection at the gym:
If things had been done the way they should have been, the clothing would have been packed and outside the dogs' scent-range during the prior inspection, and there would have been a long gap between completion of the prior inspection and commencement of the actual search while clothing was unpacked and then laid out for the dogs to inspect.
Of course, neither dog should have had any physical contact with any item inspected.
So the 'prior inspection' of the gym ended at 2230, and the inspection-proper of the clothing began at 2230.1. Between 23h20 and 23h30 the two dogs were allowed to reconoitre the entire area to guarantee that there were no existing odours - and none were detected by them.
2. Between 23h30 and 23h40 items from the box labelled 'common room' were inspected by the blood dog without result.
- At 23h41 the cadaver dog began its inspection and 'marked' some clothing on the edge of the area. The inspection ended at 23h52 with the clothing having been collected for later direct examination and photographic report.
If things had been done the way they should have been, the clothing would have been packed and outside the dogs' scent-range during the prior inspection, and there would have been a long gap between completion of the prior inspection and commencement of the actual search while clothing was unpacked and then laid out for the dogs to inspect.
Of course, neither dog should have had any physical contact with any item inspected.
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Only after witnessing both inspections at villa and gym did Mark Harrison issue PJ personnel with translated NPIA instructions on how to conduct dog-inspections in vehicles and buildings:
Given that constraint, Harrison, at least motivated by a genuine desire to try to solve the crime, played his hand with considerable skill, doing just enough to draw the, fortunately, attentive and honest Portuguese prosecutors to the key points that clearly demonstrated the McCanns had (have!) no case to answer.
As Grime understood, and exploited to the full, he had Harrison over a barrel, as both men were a party to the marketing fraud of the non-existent "E"VRD.On 03-08-07 PJ and GNR officers were given instruction based on translated extracts from NPIA doctrine on search management and procedures. This focused on search procedures relating to buildings and vehicles.
Given that constraint, Harrison, at least motivated by a genuine desire to try to solve the crime, played his hand with considerable skill, doing just enough to draw the, fortunately, attentive and honest Portuguese prosecutors to the key points that clearly demonstrated the McCanns had (have!) no case to answer.
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A further point to note is that, in the way clothing was taken from villa to gym, principles of cross-contamination of a death scent were disregarded, with everything 'alerted to' coming out of the one, bog-standard cardboard, box, making a nonsense of the supposition that anyone, at the gym, would have been the slightest bit concerned about 'pre-existing scents
With good reason, Grime was quizzed in his rogatory interview about principles of cross contamination of a death scent and confirmed, as is true, that cross-contamination is immediate.
Why, then, did Grime ignore the principle?
With good reason, Grime was quizzed in his rogatory interview about principles of cross contamination of a death scent and confirmed, as is true, that cross-contamination is immediate.
Why, then, did Grime ignore the principle?
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Davel writes:
Davel writes:
True, but worse, for the Praia da Luz inspection of vehicles alone of them all, Grime wore a white crime-scene protection suit, tending to suggest that there was some sort of corrupt prior agreement that if anything 'spectacular' were to come of the inspection of vehicles, Grime would be handed the video for private and promotional use.According to the BDO report eddie did alert to a coconut....and as I recall from posts on this forum Grime did use the video of Luz to promote his business
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Why would have Operation Grange have needed a remit to truly start from scratch when the (original) Portuguese investigation, which ran from May 2007 until August 2008 clearly and unmistakably ruled out the McCanns or any of their friends as complicit in Madeleine's disappearance, and when Scotland Yard will have known, without needing to investigate, that the deployment of the English sniffer dogs was corrupt?Even if Operation Grange had had a remit allowing them to truly start from scratch instead of being told what crime they were to investigate they still faced immense difficulties. They had no jurisdiction in Portugal and no right to speak to Portuguese witnesses. They faced a police force who were understandably defensive and a judicial system which they didn't have much understanding of. All of which, imo, seriously damaged any hope of them making headway with the case.
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G-Unit.
It is known that the McCanns had calpol with them because the McCanns volunteered that information.
Their 'reward' was to be all-but-accused of killing Madeleine with an overdose of the blessed stuff.
Amaral's book is a travesty of the facts of the investigation.
Admittedly in an interview, not his book, Amaral declared, falsely, we talked about death by others, not murder.
Mark Harrison is plain that he was instructed by Amaral's boss, Encarcanidio (sp) to investigate, alone, murder, and did so, ruling out burial and making plain he had no real idea what had happened to Madeleine.
To suggest that the investigation bore anything more than a passing resemblance to Amaral's depiction of it in his book is simply untrue.
The distortions, in Amaral's book all maligned the McCanns.
That, by Portuguese 'libel' law (whatever that is) passes muster, apparently.
From Chapter 16 of Amaral's book:I am saying that contrary to your claim, the book was true to the investigation. I think proof is a different concept than you think;
In law, the proof (a prova) is any means to convince the judges about the truth of a fact. "A prova" provides the elements thanks to which the judges may form a conviction about the pertinent facts on which they will base their judgement.
Page 12 https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/v02.htm
You have questioned the judges 'proven facts', asserting that they aren't facts but they are, in law, the means which the judge arrived at her judgement. Amaral's 'proof' is, imo, exactly the same. They are the means he used to arrive at his conclusions. They are facts only insofar as clues are facts.
The final sentence of Harrison's report.After a week of intense work, Harrison presents the results of his study to my coordinating group. Even if we were expecting it, his conclusions confirm our worst fears. The most plausible scenario is the following: there is no doubt that Madeleine is dead, and her body is hidden somewhere in the area around Praia da Luz. He praises the quality of the work carried out by the Portuguese authorities in trying to find the little girl alive. According to him, the time has come to redirect the searches in order to find, this time, a body hidden in the surrounding area.
Amaral speculates idly (maliciously?) that Madeleine 'might have had an accident with calpol'.I am currently of the opinion on the available information and statistical datasets that if death has occurred, that it is possible that Madeleine McCann’s body has been disposed into the sea at Praia da Luz. (See my second report entitled “NPIA OP TASK Search Doc Beach and Marine”).
It is known that the McCanns had calpol with them because the McCanns volunteered that information.
Their 'reward' was to be all-but-accused of killing Madeleine with an overdose of the blessed stuff.
Amaral's book is a travesty of the facts of the investigation.
Admittedly in an interview, not his book, Amaral declared, falsely, we talked about death by others, not murder.
Mark Harrison is plain that he was instructed by Amaral's boss, Encarcanidio (sp) to investigate, alone, murder, and did so, ruling out burial and making plain he had no real idea what had happened to Madeleine.
To suggest that the investigation bore anything more than a passing resemblance to Amaral's depiction of it in his book is simply untrue.
The distortions, in Amaral's book all maligned the McCanns.
That, by Portuguese 'libel' law (whatever that is) passes muster, apparently.