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Post by BrenR1958 » Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:16 am

One feature of this period was that she suddenly admitted to having had several long conversations with Clarence Mitchell. At the same time, she also had many conversations with former McCann-sceptic, now McCann-supporter Brenda Ryan. I advised against both. I also later learnt that all three were having conversations with each other. Debbie never told me what they were about, she just said: 'It's nothing you need to worry about'. There was talk at the time of McCann-sceptics and McCann-supporters getting together to jointly press for a re-investigation into Madeleine's disappearanace.
Bennett... remove my name. I have never spoken to and neither have I contacted Clarence Mitchell.. to say otherwise is morally wrong and libellous. I admit speaking to Butler but that is all.

And tell me what is so wrong with people from both sides of the argument uniting to find a missing child? Isn't finding out what happened to Madeleine supposed to be the prime directive of the Madeleine Foundation? So why do you refuse to help find Madeleine? Because by attacking her parents or any person who supports them or helps them, can only be seen as a hindrance to the search of a missing child and nobody sane would want to harm the search for a missing child, would they?

And as for Butler I rue the day I ever spoke to that woman...the hypocritical bitch.
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Post by urcrazy » Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:22 am

Vee8 wrote:
Gobilina wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rents.html
Ripped them off and left them in squalor...

My God. I had no idea it was as bad as that. :s_omg

I know Vee. I was really shocked when I read the details. The fraud is one thing, the neglect another entirely and I can't get my head round it. Knowing Butler and her rash, thoughtless, egotistical bravado it looks to me as if she volunteered to look after them and then just couldn't do it. I'm sure she persuaded herself it was OK to siphon their money because of all the dosh they were saving by not being in a nursing home. If she had not buggered off to Spain who knows, she may have got away with it.

There's clearly more detail omitted - how did it come to people's attention that her mother had died, for example? But it's a sorry tale of a middle aged woman in meltdown, reduced to foreign flings and family fraud, living a Walter Mitty existence.
Scotland Yard detectives believe Madeleine was abducted in "a criminal act by a stranger"

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Post by Hael » Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:31 am

Chinagirl wrote:Appalling woman.

I have submitted the following comment on the Mail article. Hope it meets their moderation criteria!

For more than seven years this fraudster, Deborah Butler, has accused the McCann parents of fraud in relation to their fund set up to facilitate the search for their missing daughter, Madeleine, as well as accusing them of being complicit in her abduction, and being guilty of neglect. Yet she herself is the real fraudster, and has been found guilty of genuine, appalling neglect. Karma is a wonderful thing!

The so-called "Madeleine Foundation" is currently chaired by Tony Bennett who himself was found guilty of contempt of court a year or so ago for breaching undertakings he made to cease similar accusations against the McCann parents, and who is the author of the scurrilous leaflet being held up by Butler in the above photo.

Bennett bears as much responsibility as Butler for the lies they have each peddled about Kate & Gerry McCann, and for the pain and distress they have caused the innocent parents of a missing child.
Well said! :s_thumbsup
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Post by BrenR1958 » Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:16 am

From our local paper
Deborah Butler of Grace Avenue, Allington, who called for justice in the case of missing Madeleine McCann gets prison term for fraud
21 January 2015by Mary Grahammgraham@thekmgroup.co.uk
A woman who became known for publicly calling for "justice" over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has been handed a jail sentence after defrauding £18,000 from her vulnerable parents for a spending spree.

Deborah Butler hit the headlines in 2009 by distributing leaflets giving "10 key reasons which suggest Madeleine was not abducted".

Some were delivered to the Leicestershire street where Madeleine's parents Kate and Gerry live.

Deborah Butler shortly before she set off on a charity walk across Spain and Portugal
The 51-year-old denied she was targeting the family, whose daughter has not been found after disappearing from a holiday apartment in Portugal in 2007, but simply wanted the then-closed investigation to be re-opened.

Away from the media spotlight, Butler, of Grace Avenue, Allington, set herself up as official carer to her parents, Alan and Dorothy Johnson, who suffered from dementia.

In 2011 she took control of their bank cards, which they did not know how to use, and went on a spree buying items for herself including a TV, laptop, designer clothes, a Spanish holiday, plus more mundane essentials such as petrol and food.

Madeleine McCann, who went missing in Portugal in 2007. Photo courtesy of PA/PA Wire.
The 51-year-old also arranged for carers and attendance allowances, plus the Johnsons’ state pension to go to her bank account.

In October 2011 her mother died and other family members found conditions at her parents seaside flat in Eastbourne had deteriorated as the pensioners struggled to cope. Conditions were described as 'squalid.'

The family also discovered a large chunk of the Johnsons’ savings missing and Butler was arrested.

Monarch House in Eastbourne's Royal Parade where Deborah Butler's parents (now deceased) lived in 'squalid' conditions
She always insisted her purchases were for her parents. But investigators were adamant everything bought was being used at her Kent home.

Butler denied four charges of fraud totalling £18,411 at a trial in December but was convicted.

At Lewes Crown Court on Friday she was sentenced to two years in prison, suspended for two years.

Deborah Butler with a leaflet headed 'What really happened to Madeleine McCann'
DC Julie Nightingale, of Sussex Police, said: “The victims were treated as a stream of income.

“They were very vulnerable but Butler left them to live in squalor while she enjoyed life at their expense.”

She must complete 200 hours of unpaid work and will be supervised by the probation service.

The KM approached Butler after the case but she said: “I won’t be making any comment.”
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Post by sidmouth » Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:48 am

Words fail me they really do. The photos of her mum and dad......aww how could she. What a bloody crying shame. :s_cry

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Post by Truthiness2 » Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:51 am

I would die for my family. I would go to prison defending any of them, and they would do the same.

I'm struggling to accept what I'm reading about that woman. :s_mad Her sister is right; the money is one thing, but the neglect :insanity: She buggered off to Spain and left them? Am I reading that right? For weeks? Did she tell anyone? Did she make arrangements for them to be looked after?
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Post by BrenR1958 » Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:52 am

What a shame that she has to unpaid work (sarcastic head on) ... her poor parents and they couldn't do anything about it ... However I can't help feeling sorry for her grandson/son... who today will have to be at school, and will have to deal with this aftermath.
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Post by Truthiness2 » Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:00 am

"Overrun with problems" Really?

She had no problem tweeting morning, noon and night about the McCanns. You would think that if her 'problems' were so overwhelming, then she wouldn't have had time to open the laptop she bought with the money she stole from her parents, let alone time to tweet :insanity:
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Post by Randomleigh » Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:07 am

Truthiness2 wrote:I would die for my family. I would go to prison defending any of them, and they would do the same.

I'm struggling to accept what I'm reading about that woman. :s_mad Her sister is right; the money is one thing, but the neglect :insanity: She buggered off to Spain and left them? Am I reading that right? For weeks? Did she tell anyone? Did she make arrangements for them to be looked after?
I feel exactly the same as you Truthi. The fact she left her own VULNERABLE elderly parents to struggle while she went on her jollies (using money she'd stolen from them !) , makes me sick to my stomach. You've got to be evil to do that IMO

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Post by Gobilina » Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:10 am

Randomleigh wrote:
Truthiness2 wrote:I would die for my family. I would go to prison defending any of them, and they would do the same.

I'm struggling to accept what I'm reading about that woman. :s_mad Her sister is right; the money is one thing, but the neglect :insanity: She buggered off to Spain and left them? Am I reading that right? For weeks? Did she tell anyone? Did she make arrangements for them to be looked after?
I feel exactly the same as you Truthi. The fact she left her own VULNERABLE elderly parents to struggle while she went on her jollies (using money she'd stolen from them !) , makes me sick to my stomach. You've got to be evil to do that IMO
Indeed, it would appear she neglected her vulnerable parents to go out wining and dining abroad with stolen money...the irony is priceless. :pop2:

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Post by Truthiness2 » Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:13 am

Randomleigh , I'm LIVID :Bang_head :Bang_head

She got two years suspended :insanity:

If she was a stranger (which effectively she was) who had broken into her parents home and had stolen bank cards and emptied their accounts, would she have got a suspended sentence? NO! This is, in fact, WORSE than a stranger breaking in :Bang_head :Bang_head
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Post by urcrazy » Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:18 am

A commenter on that Kent Online article makes some very interesting claims about her behaviour over the last 20 years.
Scotland Yard detectives believe Madeleine was abducted in "a criminal act by a stranger"

No Janine you poor deluded muppet, I am NOT John Lowe.
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21/01/2015 09:34:00

thenestofvipers wrote:

I have known this woman from afar for nearly 20 years, when her and her alcoholic ex used to get absolutely paralytic in a local club at least thrre nights away and cause mayhem.

The pinnacle came, when their sweet and innocent 14 year old daughter got pregnant and to cover it up, this lovely woman pretended it was hers....and still does in public circles.

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Post by Carana » Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:35 am

:s_omg For once I'm lost for words...
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Post by Randomleigh » Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:36 am

Truthiness2 wrote:Randomleigh , I'm LIVID :Bang_head :Bang_head

She got two years suspended :insanity:

If she was a stranger (which effectively she was) who had broken into her parents home and had stolen bank cards and emptied their accounts, would she have got a suspended sentence? NO! This is, in fact, WORSE than a stranger breaking in :Bang_head :Bang_head
Indeed, she should have been locked up, but of course there would have been mitigating circumstances IE her so called "problems" which were no problem whilst she was frittering away her own parents money on her SELF!!
It's clear the only person DB cares about is DB and no doubt she'll attempt to come out of her appalling abuse of trust and care as the victim !! :s_mad

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Post by Randomleigh » Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:42 am

Has anybody read anywhere about how remorseful and ashamed Deborah Butler feels after committing her terrible crime !?!?

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Post by Chinagirl » Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:43 am

What arrangements did she make for the care of her son/grandson when she went off the Spain on her jollies? She's been at least twice that we know of - once on that fake "walk,"then again the trip mentioned n ow.
[T]hose children were left alone and because of that fact one of them disappeared. (Fatima de Oliveira Esteves)

Wrong.
It's because someone took her.

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Post by urcrazy » Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:45 am

Her husband looked after him I think, the one that went missing. They seem to have an on/off relationship.

Poor sods.
Scotland Yard detectives believe Madeleine was abducted in "a criminal act by a stranger"

No Janine you poor deluded muppet, I am NOT John Lowe.
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Post by BrenR1958 » Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:46 pm

Jim Gamble - Butler.PNG
Spot on..
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Post by Whiterose » Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:53 pm

It makes harrowing reading doesn't it, a mother and father who had cared for her, abandoned, so that she could enjoy herself with their money.

How cruel is that? :s_sad
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Post by scoobydoo » Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:12 pm

I don't understand why she has not been prosecuted for her mothers death either? She not only stole from her parents but neglected them to such an extent they died.

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Post by urcrazy » Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:26 pm

scoobydoo wrote:I don't understand why she has not been prosecuted for her mothers death either? She not only stole from her parents but neglected them to such an extent they died.
Her father is still alive.
We don't have enough detail to know if the neglect was responsible for her mother's death.
Scotland Yard detectives believe Madeleine was abducted in "a criminal act by a stranger"

No Janine you poor deluded muppet, I am NOT John Lowe.
And neither, thankfully, are you.

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Post by Cath » Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:32 pm

Today I went to my mum, witch is a one hour drive, to help her with.a few things. Like drive-ins her car through the car wash. :s_biggrin
Me and my family, we help each other, even when we have to fly for hours to get there.

I knew it she did bad things but I didn't know exactly how bad it was. I am shocked and feeling so sorry for her poor parents, sister and the rest of the family. Sanctimonious twat talking about neglect, how dares she?

I cannot imagine what drove that evil lying woman to do what she did and I think that Judge was way too lenient for her.
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In a lengthy ruling on Tuesday [28-04-2015], Amaral was found guilty of libelling the pair and ordered to pay them €250,000 each in damages. The judge also banned further sale of his book, the Truth of the Lie.

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Post by BrenR1958 » Thu Jan 22, 2015 12:21 am

Well she has now made the international news...

https://www.euroweeklynews.com/news/wor ... sh-holiday
McCann accuser steals from parents for Spanish holiday
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McCann accuser steals from parents for Spanish holiday

A WOMAN who has repeatedly accused the parents of missing Madeleine McCann of neglect stole £18,400 from her own elderly parents and left them to fend for themselves while she went on holiday to Spain.

Debbie Butler left her dementia-suffering mother and father alone without arranging for a carer while she jetted off to sunny Spain. While she was away, Butler’s 74-year-old mother died and her 79-year-old father was found emaciated and living in squalor, according to MailOnline.

Butler had previously distributed inflammatory leaflets in the McCann family’s home village in Leicestershire, suggesting that Kate and Gerry McCann were responsible for their own daughter’s disappearance.

The 51-year-old was handed a two-year suspended prison sentence at a court in Brighton for fraud last week. She had stolen cash from her parents’ accounts and diverted their state pension and care allowance.

The judge in the case said: “You have brought tremendous shame on yourself. I accept that you were overrun at the time with problems… All of that may explain why you did what you did but it could never, ever excuse it. This was inexcusable, this was a dreadful abuse of trust.”

Butler’s sister said that she would never forgive her for “defrauding and dehumanising” their parents. “The fraud is one thing, the neglect is the evilest thing,” she said.
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Post by Cath » Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:54 am

Just in case she/anybody wants to accuse the sister of cashing in on the story:

The Mail has made a donation to Dementia UK at the request of the Johnson family.
In a lengthy ruling on Tuesday [28-04-2015], Amaral was found guilty of libelling the pair and ordered to pay them €250,000 each in damages. The judge also banned further sale of his book, the Truth of the Lie.

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