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Katrice Lee

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Missing person investigation: Katrice Lee

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Re: Katrice Lee

Post by Cath » Sun Nov 16, 2014 12:51 pm

30 years she is missing! :s_omg :s_cry
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Re: Katrice Lee

Post by urcrazy » Sun Nov 16, 2014 5:03 pm

Apparently the Army have apologised to the family because of the way they were treated and the inadequate investigation. They have been looking at it again.
Scotland Yard detectives believe Madeleine was abducted in "a criminal act by a stranger"

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Re: Katrice Lee

Post by scoobydoo » Mon Nov 17, 2014 2:30 pm

There seems to have been so little done and so little known about what happened. I wonder if she got a bit lost and followed someone else out of the store thinking they were her mum. I can't see how she could have never been found unless there was a third party who hid her.

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Re: Katrice Lee

Post by urcrazy » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:22 pm

The Army said she must have wandered off, and ended up in the river. But the family never believed it because she had to cross a car park and get through a hedge to get to the river.
Scotland Yard detectives believe Madeleine was abducted in "a criminal act by a stranger"

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Re: Katrice Lee

Post by scoobydoo » Fri Nov 28, 2014 9:59 am

urcrazy wrote:The Army said she must have wandered off, and ended up in the river. But the family never believed it because she had to cross a car park and get through a hedge to get to the river.
I can't see a two year old being able to manage finding their way across a car park. I think a two year old would have been upset at losing their mother not taking themselves to the river. The police seem to have been incredibly laid back about it, far far worse than the PJ were with Madeleine or the Greek police with Ben. I can't see how it would have been that difficult to solve if they had properly investigated at the time since she disappeared in a shop to which only certain people had access.

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Re: Katrice Lee

Post by scoobydoo » Wed May 20, 2015 12:53 pm

Why does this case get so little publicity? Even back in 1991 when there was no twenty four hour news, no internet etc Ben Needham's case did get a fair amount of publicity. Yet even today katrice Lee gets very little publicity. Is it the military angle? Not wanting to find out a British soldier kidnapped a British child, whilst on German soil? Wanting to minimise publicity about the monumental mess the British military made of the case? Both?

From what I can gather katrice was in the shop with her mum and aunt. Her dad was in the car outside. The shop was the NAAFI but on a civilian street on German soil. It was the last payday before Christmas and the shop was unusually crowded. Katrice, her mum and her aunt got to the check out when her mum realised she had forgotten crisps. She put katrice down and left her with her aunt to go and get the crisps. Her aunt however thought katrice was following her mum. That was the last known sighting.

A military shop even on a civilian street isn't going to be a place anyonbe would plan to kidnap a child from. So if it was a kidnapping it was opportunistic. But it was so busy would someone honestly see a lost child and walk out with her during a shopping trip? If only military and their families could use the shop it seems very unlikely. (But I am thinking this as it seems that if this happened it would have been quickly discovered, but of course the police didn't bother investigating). Isn't it more likely she followed her mum and in the crowds started following someone else and walked out of the shop and something happened then? But what? How far could a two year old walk without someone stopping her?

Has this been on German TV at all?

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Re: Katrice Lee

Post by Whiterose » Mon May 16, 2016 4:22 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... s-ago.html

Poor sweet little girl, it was her birthday too, can't bear to think what that evil monster did to her, good job the bastard is dead :s_cry
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Re: Katrice Lee

Post by scoobydoo » Tue May 17, 2016 11:38 am

Whiterose wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... s-ago.html

Poor sweet little girl, it was her birthday too, can't bear to think what that evil monster did to her, good job the bastard is dead :s_cry

Oh I hope this isn't true. Bastard, stealing the most precious thing and then refusing to even allow the parents to know. Forcing them to live not knowing where their child is. I hope he was afraid of dying, afraid of facing God who knows exactly what he did

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Re: Katrice Lee

Post by catkins » Tue May 17, 2016 12:53 pm

I read that Katrice family were very upset about this report.....and say it isn't true. :s_dunno

The Robert Black connection....that is.
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Re: Katrice Lee

Post by Carana » Wed May 18, 2016 9:06 am

I'm afraid I'll take that so-called connection with a bucket of salt for the moment. Looking at the wording closely, it's a similar load of waffle to all the sensational "Maddie" ones.

The only potential point of substance is:

He claims petrol receipts in Black's as yet unreleased police file show he had travelled to the outskirts of the German city to plaster up posters in the lead up to advent, 1981.

Who is this child abduction expert (everyone and their brother claims to be one these days)?

And how would he have got hold of petrol receipts in a police file that hadn't been released?

Then, we get:

He'd have been visiting British Army camps along the Rhine, including Paderborn. I'm quite convinced Black quietly befriended Katrice Lee, took her to his van outside the NAAFI and took her away.

The historical German city lies just off the delivery route Black would have used visiting the country - Highway 33.


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Speaking to The Mirror, Mr Clark said: 'Katrice disappeared just a few weeks before Christmas, when Black would have been travelling to Germany to put posters out for alcohol and cigarette firms.

If this "expert" does indeed have access to the receipts, he would know where Black had been, but it's not stated as fact.

If ever the receipts turn out to be true, then it's obviously a lead worth exploring, but the police would hopefully have already done so since reopening the case.

These stories keep the child's profile in the news, but if people simply take such articles as fact, then it's unlikely that they are likely to suddenly remember (or come across) a potential clue concerning the real culprit. A bit of a Catch-22.
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Re: Katrice Lee

Post by Carana » Wed May 18, 2016 9:11 am

One of the comments:

ponoga, shrewsbury, United Kingdom, about 17 hours ago

Pity you didn't warn the family of the publication of this article before going to print . This family who are personally known to me have gone through hell over the last 32 years a bit of of respect wouldn't have gone amiss .As a person who was actively involved at the time this news came as quite a sickening shock ,God knows how they felt reading it without warning
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Re: Katrice Lee

Post by Carana » Wed May 18, 2016 9:15 am

This person appears to have interpreted the article as fact.

lauramarie90, Derry, United Kingdom, a day ago

To think a serial killer was stalking Paderborn at one time gives me the chills. I lived there for 6 months and it felt like the safest place in the world. Its very picturesque and everyone is very friendly. Before reading this article I would never have dreamed anything like this would have happened there. Poor little girl. Wherever she is that monster took it with him to the grave. I hope they find her. Her family need closure.
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Re: Katrice Lee

Post by catkins » Wed May 18, 2016 12:34 pm

:insanity:
Madeleine McCann- Abducted May 2007 from Praia Da Luz, Algarve, Portugal.
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Re: Katrice Lee

Post by scoobydoo » Wed May 18, 2016 12:38 pm

Jesus, they didn't tell the family.

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Re: Katrice Lee

Post by Carana » Thu May 19, 2016 9:11 am

scoobydoo wrote:Jesus, they didn't tell the family.
Not hard to imagine how the McCanns felt when they woke up to the "Gerry-not-father" headlines...
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