The Armchair detective

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Post by scoobydoo » Wed Jul 29, 2020 7:57 pm

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Wed Jul 29, 2020 7:35 pm
Daily mail ye right.....

Well, at least the Germans are digging an allotment.but at the same time could plant anything imo
:rolleyes:

Methinks she should stick to what she does best - sending for birth certificates that has naff all to do with her.
That makes my skin crawl, sending off for someone else's child's birth certificate. I would be devastated if people did that to me. How do these people not realise how abnormal they are.

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Post by sal » Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:51 am

:s_crazy
What amazes me is the fact that the news media are all promoting Christian Brueckner as if he is guilty of abducting Madeleine McCann when there isn't a shred of evidence to support it. Crazy or what?

The guy is to be pitied if anything, He had a rotten start in life and was undoubtedly abused in one way or another as an orphan. By the time he was adopted the damage was done imo. I'm not surprised in the least that he boasted of his exploits in the Algarve to an associate, that is what these people do constantly.
I wonder if his victims feel pity
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Post by honestbroker1 » Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:30 pm

sal wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:51 am
:s_crazy
What amazes me is the fact that the news media are all promoting Christian Brueckner as if he is guilty of abducting Madeleine McCann when there isn't a shred of evidence to support it. Crazy or what?

The guy is to be pitied if anything, He had a rotten start in life and was undoubtedly abused in one way or another as an orphan. By the time he was adopted the damage was done imo. I'm not surprised in the least that he boasted of his exploits in the Algarve to an associate, that is what these people do constantly.
I wonder if his victims feel pity
I was going to say that there is a heck of a site more evidence against Brueckner than there is against the McCanns.

But I'll amend that.

There is NO evidence against the McCanns.

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Post by sal » Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:05 pm

.....Ms KIA responds

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He was then rejected by his adoptive parents due to getting into trouble and ended up in the care of the state, I believe. While none of it justifies breaking the law, it may explain it.
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Post by scoobydoo » Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:13 pm

sal wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:05 pm
.....Ms KIA responds

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He was then rejected by his adoptive parents due to getting into trouble and ended up in the care of the state, I believe. While none of it justifies breaking the law, it may explain it.
It's strange how they get such enjoyment from destroying the parents but a man known to have sexuslly abused children and women is excused.

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Post by sal » Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:18 pm

It wasn’t until a year later, when I was combing through the Portuguese police files, that I discovered that the note requesting our block booking was written in a staff message book, which sat on a desk at the pool reception for most of the day. This book was by definition accessible to all staff and, albeit unintentionally, probably to guests and visitors, too. To my horror, I saw that, no doubt in all innocence and simply to explain why she was bending the rules a bit, the receptionist had added the reason for our request: we wanted to eat close to our apartments as we were leaving our young children alone there and checking on them intermittently.’ Kate McCann
kizzy LOL FGS ...it doesn't mean it does neither.

Why would they tell the receptionist they were all leaving there children on there own..what could they do about it.
Receptionist
The man justified his request by saying that the group had many small children whom they would leave alone when they went to dine. She said that at intervals some two parents would go to the apartments to see if everything was OK.

The deponent made some comments about the request, saying that the Tapas received many requests and that MW only had a quota of 20 per day, but upon the insistence of the guest she managed to make the bookings requested.

She never saw anything strange. During this interview she provided a book with the reservations for the Tapas restaurant.
probably the book referred to by Kate McCann.... our block booking was written in a staff message book,
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Post by jjbd » Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:12 pm

verdi
the German's histrionic pranks across the decades
Rape is a histrionic prank?

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Post by sal » Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:00 am

Yes I saw that. She's always been a nasty piece of work.
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Post by honestbroker1 » Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:27 pm

On the subject of armchair detectives, amid all the latest developments, Pathfinder on UK InJustice bores on relentlessly about 'Smithman', who he is convinced is Gerry.

Quite extraordinary.

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Post by sal » Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:52 pm

Still bleating on about the same old, even after 13 years, although don't hear many tick tocks lately :s_biggrin
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Post by Chinagirl » Sun Aug 09, 2020 8:20 am

Verdi is a "she" ?? What kind of female would describe a series of rapes as "histrionic pranks" for crying in a bucket? :s_omg :s_mad
[T]hose children were left alone and because of that fact one of them disappeared. (Fatima de Oliveira Esteves)

Wrong.
It's because someone took her.

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Bloody hell the Goncalo Amaral. topic on UK justice forum has become the most boring thread on the internet.

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Post by Whiterose » Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:55 am

jjbd wrote:
Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:23 am
Bloody hell the Goncalo Amaral. topic on UK justice forum has become the most boring thread on the internet.

:s_rofl
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Post by Whiterose » Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:58 am

I know someone has to represent the piece of Sh!t, but that Lawyer seems to be relishing it doesn't he. If his client does go to court he will be calm he has nothing to hide, he's pulled the wool over his eyes good and proper, he's making him out to be whiter than white, how does he know he has nothing to hide? What about the pictures he buried? What about his confession? The Police are waiting to get all their evidence before taking him to court.
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Post by Alibongo » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:23 pm

https://www.thewestonmercury.co.uk/news ... -1-6723399

One hopes he's declaring his income from his armchair detective agency :s_biggrin
Poor man is bankrupted morally and now financially :pop2:
Parent-blaming is all-too-common these days, and usually the point is to make other parents feel better about their own parenting skills

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Post by jjbd » Tue Aug 11, 2020 7:24 pm

Alibongo wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:23 pm
https://www.thewestonmercury.co.uk/news ... -1-6723399

One hopes he's declaring his income from his armchair detective agency :s_biggrin
Poor man is bankrupted morally and now financially :pop2:
who is it Ali?

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Post by Alibongo » Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:02 am

He's the idiot who calls himself the armchair detective and makes requests to his followers for donations so he can carry on with his website/making videos. He went into some venture with Colin Sutton I believe but it flopped when he failed to sell enough tickets for it.
Parent-blaming is all-too-common these days, and usually the point is to make other parents feel better about their own parenting skills

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Post by sal » Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:27 am

Alibongo wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:02 am
He's the idiot who calls himself the armchair detective and makes requests to his followers for donations so he can carry on with his website/making videos. He went into some venture with Colin Sutton I believe but it flopped when he failed to sell enough tickets for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtLoPzP ... pp=desktop
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Alibongo wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:02 am
He's the idiot who calls himself the armchair detective and makes requests to his followers for donations so he can carry on with his website/making videos. He went into some venture with Colin Sutton I believe but it flopped when he failed to sell enough tickets for it.
Thanks Ali

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Post by Alibongo » Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:26 pm

sal wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:27 am
Alibongo wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:02 am
He's the idiot who calls himself the armchair detective and makes requests to his followers for donations so he can carry on with his website/making videos. He went into some venture with Colin Sutton I believe but it flopped when he failed to sell enough tickets for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtLoPzP ... pp=desktop
One hopes he's declaring his income to the inland revenue :s_yes
Parent-blaming is all-too-common these days, and usually the point is to make other parents feel better about their own parenting skills

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Post by sal » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:28 pm

hater mob
I think he enjoyed the attention her disappearance brought.
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I saw Kate and Gerry McCanns' despair and if they were acting they deserved an Oscar, 06 October 2007
I saw Kate and Gerry McCanns' despair and if they were acting they deserved an Oscar Timesonline

The PR expert who advised Madeleine's parents in the first weeks of her disappearance offers a new insight into their state of mind

Dominic Kennedy
October 6, 2007

Gerry and Kate McCann's on-screen composure in the days after their daughter disappeared was at odds with their turmoil and dread behind the scenes, a witness says today.

The couple swung between uncontrollable distress and a determination to do what was needed to help to find Madeleine. They gave no indication that they thought she had been snatched, let alone by a p.a.e.dophile. Their early assumption was that she had wandered off and had an accident or been taken in by a well-meaning stranger.

Alex Woolfall, a public relations consultant for the holiday resort where the child disappeared, was with the McCanns regularly for that first fortnight and is convinced that they are innocent. "That they could be involved and in any way be guilty - to me they would have to win every Golden Globe and every Oscar ever awarded," he told The Times.

Mr Woolfall has provided the first detailed account by an insider of what happened to the McCanns during the desperate days after Madeleine disappeared. He is an expert in crisis PR at the communications group Bell Pottinger and flew to Portugal as part of the Mark Warner holiday company’s emergency response team on Saturday, May 5. Madeleine vanished on the evening of May 3.

He met the couple for the first time at their new apartment. "They were behaving exactly as I thought someone in that situation would be," Mr Woolfall said. "They had not slept. They were trying to work out what to do that might help generate images of her. They were desperately keen to publicise her face."

The McCanns had photographs of Madeleine on their digital camera, which Mr Woolfall began transferring to a laptop computer. "I said to Kate, 'Let's try to identify pictures where her face is visible'. Downloading the images was a very difficult process for them. It was upsetting.

"They were trying to do two things at once: one, emotionally deal with what was actually, really happening to them; two, operate in some sort of logical way to help get her back."

Mr Woolfall transmitted the photographs to the Press Association in London, from where they were distributed to the media. The portfolio included the now famous image of Madeleine wearing a hat on a tennis court.

The McCanns wanted to do more. "They were exhausted and despairing but thinking, 'Should we go outside and say something that might get her back?' They said they wanted to head downstairs and talk to the media. They were very tired, but that was one thing they were determined to do."

Mr Woolfall went out to alert journalists and returned to the McCanns. "They wrote down what they wanted to say and went out and gave a short statement. After that, they were completely spent. You could tell there was nothing left."

Mr Woolfall was surprised by the reaction of British viewers to the couple's demeanour. "I was struck at the perception of people who had watched Kate and Gerry: that they were very controlled and perhaps were not responding in a way people thought would be more natural. They were not at all controlled. When I was with them, they were between being completely distraught and trying to do what they felt was the right thing." Armchair detectives have leapt to wild conclusions based on the few alleged details of the case to have emerged. One bone of contention has been whether Mrs McCann, when raising the alarm that Madeleine was missing, screamed: "They've taken her." Some have questioned why a mother would leap to the conclusion that a child had been abducted.

Mr Woolfall says that he heard no suggestion in the early days that the girl had been snatched. "Certainly I did not hear any discussion that this could be a p.a.e.dophile or an aggravated robbery. All the time I was around it was whether she could have wandered off and had an accident or somebody had actually taken her in, perhaps not with ill-intent.

"During the first 48 hours the word being used was 'missing' rather than 'abducted' or any link with a p.a.e.dophile or any sort of crime. Towards the end of the second week I detected a shift towards there being a consciousness that she had probably been taken rather than wandered off, just on the assumption that anybody would have found her by now."

Many theories have emerged from the claim that Madeleine's twin sister and brother, aged 2, failed to wake or cry when she vanished. Mr Woolfall said he had not heard of the twins' alleged silence until he read about it in a newspaper in Britain. The claim was attributed to the Portuguese police.

There has even been a suggestion that Mrs McCann carried her daughter's Cuddle Cat soft toy because it would look good on TV. "For that to have in any way validity, it would cancel out the fact that these two people hadn't got a clue about PR or the media," Mr Woolfall said. "To suddenly be that sophisticated . . . I noticed Kate often had this toy with her. It was Madeleine’s favourite toy and she would go to bed with it. Kate had it with her when she went to church. She had it in the apartment."

A lingering puzzle for many is why the couple left three children in the flat. "When I first got to Praia da Luz, I asked Mark Warner to put me in the chair at the tapas restaurant that they had sat in and show me where the apartment was," Mr Woolfall said. "It never struck me that it would be a particularly odd thing to leave your children in that apartment, given that it was so close.

"It is incredibly sleepy and quiet in Praia da Luz. There is no traffic noise. One day when he was standing on a balcony, Gerry was saying how they felt when they first came to the resort. The pool was close, supermarket round the corner. They felt everything was a stone's throw."

The McCanns have sometimes irritated observers with the fervency of their do-it-yourself campaign. "When I came back there was criticism: why is this couple out there publicising this, doing interviews, going in front of cameras, going through photo opportunities? If you look at what would have happened in the UK, you would have had, probably within hours, a proactive intervention by British police, who would have said this is the process we now need to go through.

"Kate and Gerry have been largely left to get on with it, with no support in the initial stages, or guidance. They realised the media were a huge potential ally."

Mr Woolfall recalled how the bewildered couple gradually began to recover their composure. "In the first week they were not thinking. They actually did not think. They were in shock.

"In the second week, Gerry behaved very much like a doctor would do. Doctors are analytical. He started to have much more strategic conversations with me about what they might do. They became more aware that getting Madeleine's photograph widely distributed in Spain and possibly North Africa was sensible.

"Gerry said to me, 'We don't want the awareness that Madeleine has gone missing to disappear overnight, and that we are a family whose child went missing on holiday and that is the end of it. We want to try and find her.' When I left Portugal, the beginnings of the idea of having a campaign were probably forming.

"They were actually quite hopeful - far more in that frame of mind than despondent and downbeat. They had gone 360 degrees several times through all the different emotional states, but they soon got some good control on things."

Mr Woolfall left after a fortnight working from 5am to 1am, fending 200 calls a day from journalists as far away as Norway and South Africa. He warned the McCanns that they needed a press officer. "Gerry, I think, spoke to the Consulate and said 'Can you help us? Because there is a lot of media interest and we cannot manage.' As a result of that the Foreign and Commonwealth Office flew out Sheree Dodd [an experienced government spokeswoman]."

At first, journalists treated the McCanns with great respect, but there was a free-for-all when the couple took their first unscheduled walk along the beach. "Freelance snappers started to get quite close to them and one or two questions were thrown at them. That was probably the very early stages of the change," Mr Woolfall said. "It reached a crescendo when the McCanns tried to take their kids to the crèche and were bombarded by snappers and freelancers."

When the McCanns were made suspects, Mr Woolfall was bemused. "I thought it was ridiculous. I couldn't believe it. Completely ludicrous."

Did you suspect them? "My God, no, absolutely not in any way at any stage. I walked into that apartment and just saw two people who were frantic that their daughter had gone missing. Nobody could possibly, if they had anything to do with that, behave in that way for so long.

"It made me laugh rather than be exasperated. From Day One they could not move anywhere without 100 flash bulbs going off. The whole idea that they could have done any of the things the police were suggesting was farcical.

"You could not pick another couple on the planet that would have had that many cameras trained on them."
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Post by sal » Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:15 pm

And again no photographs of the ‘anguished parents’
Some folk certainly have appropriate surnames.
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Post by sal » Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:08 pm

Regarding the photo where Madeleine is wearing some make-up: She obviously is wearing some beads, and possibly just playing dress up. I have a 3 year old grandson, and I have seen that same expression if he is admiring himself in a mirror when we have fixed his hair, or whatever, and he's feeling pretty special. I think it's possible that the make-up picture is just a time when she was dressing up and nothing more. It's not quite a smirk in the picture of her; but I do recognize that expression of a little one feeling special, pretty, or handsome.
Jeez someone with common sense on haverns. Makes a change from the usual pervy observations made by Bennett & co.
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Post by catkins » Fri Sep 11, 2020 12:26 pm

sal wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:08 pm
Regarding the photo where Madeleine is wearing some make-up: She obviously is wearing some beads, and possibly just playing dress up. I have a 3 year old grandson, and I have seen that same expression if he is admiring himself in a mirror when we have fixed his hair, or whatever, and he's feeling pretty special. I think it's possible that the make-up picture is just a time when she was dressing up and nothing more. It's not quite a smirk in the picture of her; but I do recognize that expression of a little one feeling special, pretty, or handsome.
Jeez someone with common sense on haverns. Makes a change from the usual pervy observations made by Bennett & co.
I know Sal.....anyone who sees anything perverted in an innocent child’s dress up pic......needs to have a hard look at their own minds.
Madeleine McCann- Abducted May 2007 from Praia Da Luz, Algarve, Portugal.
DCI Redwood of Scotland Yard - stated that Madeleine could still be found - alive.
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Post by sal » Sat Sep 12, 2020 12:17 pm

There is that - another suspect, investigated, fast on his way to being ruled out in the Maddie case?

The case fast running out of suspects?

Is it all heading in the right direction - a 360 - full circle - right back to Gerry and Kate McCann?
:rolleyes:

The only thing missing from ^ post....

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